Luck to IR

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Well, it wasn't you posting it. You just joined and started being a drama queen a couple of months ago.

I've been on this shit since we were back in the old days where it was Coltsfan and Tsab and 5 other people. I think Ed something or other ran it back then- i.e. like 15 years back.

Drama queen, whatever, we are the die hards, the one's that pay attention to every damn trivial development with our favorite team- i.e why this is a site with a centrus of what, 30 regulars that really do give a shit. For whatever reason there's developed this school / collection that won't call this shit what it is- which is a damn debacle of epic proportions driven into the ground by what I do think at one time was a very solid owner, but a guy I think at this point is a drug riddled incompetent boob who has soiled my favorite team with a massive collection of complete bone head fucks! Fuck yes I am pissed, I am pissed for about 50 fucking reasons, and when I trace them back, I land at the feet of Jim Irsay.

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Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

Don't lose focus on one very important FACT as I understand it- ANDREW LUCK made the decision to have surgery- and I think it was Irsay who made the first comment along those lines. That and the use of his surgeon would lend some credence to the team (whoever the fuck it is they wear blue clothes with a horseshoe on them) not treating this appropriately from the beginning.

of course it was lucks decision, its his body. The team can make recommendations but its ultimately up to the player to decide his course of action. They cant force a player one way or another. He tried to let it heal, it didnt so he opted for surgery.

You have truly lost your shit over this.

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This is how I picture choppedwood when I read his posts...

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I've been on this shit since we were back in the old days where it was Coltsfan and Tsab and 5 other people. I think Ed something or other ran it back then- i.e. like 15 years back.

Drama queen, whatever, we are the die hards, the one's that pay attention to every damn trivial development with our favorite team- i.e why this is a site with a centrus of what, 30 regulars that really do give a shit. For whatever reason there's developed this school / collection that won't call this shit what it is- which is a damn debacle of epic proportions driven into the ground by what I do think at one time was a very solid owner, but a guy I think at this point is a drug riddled incompetent boob who has soiled my favorite team with a massive collection of complete bone head fucks! Fuck yes I am pissed, I am pissed for about 50 fucking reasons, and when I trace them back, I land at the feet of Jim Irsay.

I go back that far and further as well. What was your moniker then?

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

And when it didn't, and there was nothing fucking done to fix it, who might have been behind that decision? It could have been all the way to the top and been Jim desperately clinging to that SB dream since we were in the AFCCG just a couple years prior, it also could have been a couple fucking idiots (proven by empirical evidence over the span of 2.5 seasons now) who were clinging to the fucking hope of waking up to having their jobs each morning.

Don't lose focus on one very important FACT as I understand it- ANDREW LUCK made the decision to have surgery- and I think it was Irsay who made the first comment along those lines. That and the use of his surgeon would lend some credence to the team (whoever the fuck it is they wear blue clothes with a horseshoe on them) not treating this appropriately from the beginning.

Fuck you and the "conspiracy" shit. There's a lot of anecdotal evidence that you have a coach that wouldn't be able to recognize the need to do something if a guy came off carrying one of his legs in his hands "clap clap pat on butt- get some ice and keep getting out there and chopping that wood".

This isn't my theory by the way assfuck, it came out of the S&G show all I am doing is posting it. And the Jacoby Brissett thing is a visible demonstration of how willing Pags is to sacrifice his guys to destruction- maybe not even to salvage meaningless wins, maybe just because he is that obtuse.

i don't see the issue. Luck decided to have surgery after his arm didn't get better. I would do the same shit. if there was a shot that i don't need surgery then i am taking it. i am sure the option of surgery was on the table at the time.

seems to me people are just looking to get angry because they are pissed luck can't play. they want someone to blame.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

I go back that far and further as well. What was your moniker then?

Yeah I know your boardname has survived many many versions. I think my first name in those days was Broken Horse maybe? I used to write game summaries for the site back then. Since then, shit I have probably had 10 different names- every time the site changed or I had to get a new computer I would lose my log in and start over.

I used to get in raging wars with Coltsfan about Mora. At one point Tsab and I were so violently opposed we starting making public posts that in today's world would result in arrests for terroristic threats - at one point were we talking about actually fighting to end it- then we became pretty cool with one another - I think we actually incidentally met at the Pub one day pre-game.

Who was it that was today's Dam- Ken? I remember someone so ardently supportive of the coaching it was absurd and got lambasted daily.

Who was that Colts.com mod that we all got banned by- Coltsgirl? She would ban you for saying the Colts were the 2nd best team in the NFL- it was hilarious!

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

i don't see the issue. Luck decided to have surgery after his arm didn't get better. I would do the same shit. if there was a shot that i don't need surgery then i am taking it. i am sure the option of surgery was on the table at the time.

seems to me people are just looking to get angry because they are pissed luck can't play. they want someone to blame.

I don't think it's a matter of people wanting to find someone to blame, I think it's a matter of some absolutely terrible decisions that have spanned a number of levels and literally YEARS.

Compound that by a management team that is for whatever reason completely opposed to giving a tiny hint of information about anything that fucking happens and it just invites this type of speculation and hostility.

Maybe if the team were a bit more transparent this sentiment wouldn't be so prevalent?

My point with the Luck surgery- it was stated in a manner that you could certainly infer the team didn't think it was necessary- which kind of makes sense that it's apparently an injury dating to 2015. Yes Luck could be just as much if not more culpable by trying to go all ironman and shit, but at some point isn't it a team medical staff obligation to say "hey, this guy is throwing the ball too fucked up too much, we need to see what's going on with that shoulder"- I mean he is / was touted as the next fucking multi-generational superstar can't miss dude that you could strap a saddle on and ride to 15 All-Pro's and at least 4 SB's...and we can all agree on that I hope. Instead you would think i hearing how badly this has been mishandled this was fucking Matt McGloin or McKown or fucking Matt Moore (why are there so many JAG backup dudes that all sound like the same guy and essentially are...).

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

Yeah I know your boardname has survived many many versions. I think my first name in those days was Broken Horse maybe? I used to write game summaries for the site back then. Since then, shit I have probably had 10 different names- every time the site changed or I had to get a new computer I would lose my log in and start over.

I used to get in raging wars with Coltsfan about Mora. At one point Tsab and I were so violently opposed we starting making public posts that in today's world would result in arrests for terroristic threats - at one point were we talking about actually fighting to end it- then we became pretty cool with one another - I think we actually incidentally met at the Pub one day pre-game.

Who was it that was today's Dam- Ken? I remember someone so ardently supportive of the coaching it was absurd and got lambasted daily.

Who was that Colts.com mod that we all got banned by- Coltsgirl? She would ban you for saying the Colts were the 2nd best team in the NFL- it was hilarious!

great story bro

good to know you have tried to be an internet tough guy for 15 years

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

great story bro

good to know you have tried to be an internet tough guy for 15 years

No, the internet tough guy act dates to about 25 years- I started being a bully of fucking idiots on the internet way back before I stumbled onto the Colts.com forum, it took a few years to find the plethora of dumb fucks like you in one central electronic locale. For whatever reason the Colts have a history of stupid shits such as you that follow them.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I don't think it's a matter of people wanting to find someone to blame, I think it's a matter of some absolutely terrible decisions that have spanned a number of levels and literally YEARS.

Compound that by a management team that is for whatever reason completely opposed to giving a tiny hint of information about anything that fucking happens and it just invites this type of speculation and hostility.

Maybe if the team were a bit more transparent this sentiment wouldn't be so prevalent?

My point with the Luck surgery- it was stated in a manner that you could certainly infer the team didn't think it was necessary- which kind of makes sense that it's apparently an injury dating to 2015. Yes Luck could be just as much if not more culpable by trying to go all ironman and shit, but at some point isn't it a team medical staff obligation to say "hey, this guy is throwing the ball too fucked up too much, we need to see what's going on with that shoulder"- I mean he is / was touted as the next fucking multi-generational superstar can't miss dude that you could strap a saddle on and ride to 15 All-Pro's and at least 4 SB's...and we can all agree on that I hope. Instead you would think i hearing how badly this has been mishandled this was fucking Matt McGloin or McKown or fucking Matt Moore (why are there so many JAG backup dudes that all sound like the same guy and essentially are...).

1) i understand people being upset about the issues with pagano and grigson. and i completely understand why people would be pissed about the shit show that pagano instigated by leaking all that shit about grigson to the press. all to save his job he truly made it a circus.

2) the team needs to be transparent blah blah blah whiney baby bullshit. grow the fuck up. you don't need to know everything. and anyone that watches football should have a decent idea of how things work.

3) again. the only way i see this was mishandled is if they had some retarded rehab program for the dude. which i doubt. or they rushed him, which doesn't seem to be the case at all.

it basically boils down to luck had surgery and irsay said he would be ready for the season. that didn't happen and now you girls are butthurt. if irsay said "Andrew had shoulder surgery and we have no idea if he will play this year or not" people wouldn't be so pissed.