A few thoughts on the Seahags loss

[YDFL Commish]

• For those who love 1970's football...that was it
• For those who have never seen 1970's football...now you have
• Our O-Line coach, Sparano is doing a phenomenal job
• Good defensive effort and results, until the last drive
• If we had used a similar offensive game plan in a few recent games with DJ, we would have likely won
• Grupe should get a chance to compete to start next season
• With a healthy Buckner, we also probably win vs KC, TX, SS
• Man....I know we don't many options, Blackmon should not be on the team next year

[sherck]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

If we had used a similar offensive game plan in a few recent games with DJ, we would have likely won.

This is probably my #1 takeaway.

We beat KC for sure if SS were as committed to the run in that game as he was against SEA.

We beat HOU for sure if SS were as committed to the run in that game as he was against SEA.

We probably beat LAR as well.

I can hope that he learns from this year....but if he stays as our HC, I am sure that he will not have learned a thing.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by sherck

This is probably my #1 takeaway.

We beat KC for sure if SS were as committed to the run in that game as he was against SEA.

We beat HOU for sure if SS were as committed to the run in that game as he was against SEA.

We probably beat LAR as well.

I can hope that he learns from this year....but if he stays as our HC, I am sure that he will not have learned a thing.

Do you think that maybe that is a call from the LOS from the QB? Like I have said many times Rivers knows this offense maybe better than Shane does. Shane was a defensive coach for the Chargers before he was moved to QB coach So Philp has ran this same offense for 15+ yrs

Shane admitted that Philip got them into the right coverages and plays

He audibled A LOT Sunday

[sherck]

Originally Posted by Puck

Do you think that maybe that is a call from the LOS from the QB? Like I have said many times Rivers knows this offense maybe better than Shane does. Shane was a defensive coach for the Chargers before he was moved to QB coach So Philp has ran this same offense for 15+ yrs

Shane admitted that Philip got them into the right coverages and plays

He audibled A LOT Sunday

I do wonder.

I noticed that every time Phillip tapped his chest repeatly before the nap, it was an inside handoff to the RB. He did it four or five times that I noticed during the game.

If it was PR and not SS calling the runs, then Shane needs to fricking learn to how to commit to the run. 11 point lead going into the 4th against KC and his run to pass ratio in the 4th quarter was 1:8. If he ran the ball even 4 or 5 times instead of once, we win that game.

I like Shane well enough but his perchance to go pass whacky is hurting us.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by sherck

I do wonder.

I noticed that every time Phillip tapped his chest repeatly before the nap, it was an inside handoff to the RB. He did it four or five times that I noticed during the game.

If it was PR and not SS calling the runs, then Shane needs to fricking learn to how to commit to the run. 11 point lead going into the 4th against KC and his run to pass ratio in the 4th quarter was 1:8. If he ran the ball even 4 or 5 times instead of once, we win that game.

I like Shane well enough but his perchance to go pass whacky is hurting us.

I do like DJ. But I wonder if he knew the offnse well enough to change the plays. Perhaps SS can give Phil 2 plays at the los knowing he can figure out which one to use.

That is why I do not have confidence in Riley to run this right now nor do I have confidence that AR can do it either.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Puck

I do like DJ. But I wonder if he knew the offnse well enough to change the plays. Perhaps SS can give Phil 2 plays at the los knowing he can figure out which one to use.

That is why I do not have confidence in Riley to run this right now nor do I have confidence that AR can do it either.

If either DJ or Leonard, or even AR for that matter, having 8-9 months, or 24+ months, on the job to learn the play book, can't adjust the play at the LOS, then we have a terrible developmental approach. If the justification for going with the prehistoric statue man with the pee shooter is the ability to change the plays based on the offensive system, man that's a really really really shitty reflection on what SS has built.

[Oldcolt]

We have no real idea what is going on inside the Colts organization. These people lie to our faces all the time and our so called 'reporters' seem to have zero inside sources. Take AR for instance. We have no idea whether the Colts are done with AR and are just waiting to cut him (seems to be the most written opinion around here) or if they recognized that they fucked up by putting him out there without any proper preparation and are trying to see what a year sitting and just learning will produce (which to me makes more sense-with what this team has already invested in the guy and his obvious physical attributes). It is incredibly frustrating, especially right now. I don't expect the team itself to open up but it would be nice if these so called reporters would get even one scoop, you know develop a source within the organization.

[apballin]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

If either DJ or Leonard, or even AR for that matter, having 8-9 months, or 24+ months, on the job to learn the play book, can't adjust the play at the LOS, then we have a terrible developmental approach. If the justification for going with the prehistoric statue man with the pee shooter is the ability to change the plays based on the offensive system, man that's a really really really shitty reflection on what SS has built.

Hell even I can play QB for Steichen I can walk up there and audible to a run every time

[Puck]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

If either DJ or Leonard, or even AR for that matter, having 8-9 months, or 24+ months, on the job to learn the play book, can't adjust the play at the LOS, then we have a terrible developmental approach. If the justification for going with the prehistoric statue man with the pee shooter is the ability to change the plays based on the offensive system, man that's a really really really shitty reflection on what SS has built.

You really think that a kid with 8 months experience has enough knowledge of the system to know all the defenses and be able to manipulate them?

DJ was doing pretty well. But he's not available

Same with AR.

The two options are a brainiac or a kid that can run but is not and has never been a great passer

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Puck

You really think that a kid with 8 months experience has enough knowledge of the system to know all the defenses and be able to manipulate them?

DJ was doing pretty well. But he's not available

Same with AR.

The two options are a brainiac or a kid that can run but is not and has never been a great passer

Do I, I don't know, never been put in that position of course. Having said that, and I have to caveat that I was only able to watch the first possession of the game and then a bit of footage here and there on the phone will doing something else, so I want to get that out on the table.


But having clarified all that- so far I have seen NOTHING from this game, that said the Rivers decision put us in a better position to win this game than would have playing RL. I have never been a big RL proponent going all the way back to him being picked up by ND, I have publicly stated he can't ben an NFL QB because he cannot complete passes from traditional QB schemes- standing in the pocket, reading, and reacting- he isn't good at it. However, I am also convinced one of the reasons we were successful jumping out to 7-1, was because we took advantage of DJ's mobility and SS's ability to scheme up some good shit. Further, our coach, is widely credited, perhaps has his current job, because he took a rough, inaccurate, but very athletic QB, to a SB title. So he has this pedigree, this is his forte.

So somehow, the best decision was to go away from what he has proven to be good at- leveraging the athleticism of his QB and innovative play-calling to get all they could out of his QB's skills, somehow instead the best approach was to suddenly revert to a static stand in the pocket approach, and with a guy that can't throw the ball with ANY velocity at all and can't push the ball 15+ down the field?

Sorry, I have seen nothing that says this was a good decision because PR could make calls at the line- to run the fucking ball off the LG 90% of the fucking game.

And since we were SO effective at it last week, we'll do it again this week, against another stout ass defense that is just as capable of stiffling the run and making you make plays from the QB position.

Sorry, more and more it seems SS is kind of just a puss. The last drive where Seattle carved us up to win the game, man at some point you have to fucking tell your DC- we aren't going to sit back in this bullshit cover that has allowed them to get enormous yardage all quarter and let them move the ball on this drive---- send your fucking guys... one tackle in bounds and we probably get a huge W. Steichen for all his 4th down bravado, actually seems to be a bit of a coward when the cards are down and he needs to do something different to buck the trend.