Seems it is gonna be D Jones

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

So, the general sentiment is that a player can't turn his career around in a new environment, with less pressure, better coaching, better supporting cast and a team that believes in him?

Tell that to Sam Darnold, Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield.

I really wouldn't include Mayfield in the discussion since he had some pretty good years in CLE and his regression was mostly due to an injury before the Browns pulled a Browns and ran him out of town.

Obviously QBs turning around their careers can and does happen, but that's more the exception and not the rule. Also, it should be pointed out that all 3 of those guys had multiple stops and in Darnold's and Smith's cases several years before they took their big steps forward.

I'm not saying that Jones will definitely not turns things around, but history isn't on his side.

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm

I really wouldn't include Mayfield in the discussion since he had some pretty good years in CLE and his regression was mostly due to an injury before the Browns pulled a Browns and ran him out of town.

Obviously QBs turning around their careers can and does happen, but that's more the exception and not the rule. Also, it should be pointed out that all 3 of those guys had multiple stops and in Darnold's and Smith's cases several years before they took their big steps forward.

I'm not saying that Jones will definitely not turns things around, but history isn't on his side.

Jones had some good years as well along with a playoff win. A constant coaching carousel and losing Barkley didn’t help him at all.

His college coach who also coached both Mannings had very high praise for his intelligence and toughness.

Got the contract in New York and was put in an impossible situation as far as expectations. He can still play and will make the easy completion look routine

[YDFL Commish]

Okay, my best comp to Daniel Jones is Alex Smith.

[IndyNorm]

Jones had some good years as well along with a playoff win. A constant coaching carousel and losing Barkley didn’t help him at all.

No, Jones didn't have good years in NYG. He had 1 ok year in 2022. He also had Saquan in 2019, and 2021-2023, and he had Nabors and Tyron Tracy Jr. who's a good receiving back in 2024.

His college coach who also coached both Mannings had very high praise for his intelligence and toughness.

Of course his college coach is going to say good things about him. Unless a player was a complete shitbag his former college coach will always say good things about him.

Got the contract in New York and was put in an impossible situation as far as expectations.

It wasn't just expectations. Jones completely shit the bed in 2023 coming off that big payday. I know he got hurt, but his play prior to that was just plain god awful.

He can still play and will make the easy completion look routine

While being able to make easy completions will be refreshing to see after watching AR in 2024, almost all QBs in the NFL (starters and backups alike) are capable of doing this.

Okay, my best comp to Daniel Jones is Alex Smith.

That's actually a pretty fair comparison since Smith sucked too before Harbaugh helped him start turning things around. Hopefully you're right in that Jones turns his career around like Smith, but I'm not going to hold me breath.

[ukcolt]

Jones and Alex Smith may have had similar situations, but Jones is way more athletic than Smith. He has rushed for 2200 yards with 15 TD's with an average of 5.5 yards per carry. That's with an offensive line that has been poor throughout his career in NY.

Is Jones on a level with, Mahomes, Hurts, Allen Jackson or Burrow, no of course he isn't. He also isn't a passer in the class of Herbert, Stafford, Love, Daniels, Stroud or Tagovailoa but i do think given the correct tools around him, he is on a par with the likes of Goff, Mayfield, Lawrence, Geno Smith, Wilson, Purdy, Darnold, Murray, Young or Carr for developing as a franchise QB going forward. Caleb Williams is someone who could end up lighting up the field this year, with an improved offensive line and could join the elite guys listed at the beginning.

Richardson is the outlier as he has the raw ability to be better than anyone in the second or third group, but hasn't shown that he belongs here yet.

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm

No, Jones didn't have good years in NYG. He had 1 ok year in 2022. He also had Saquan in 2019, and 2021-2023, and he had Nabors and Tyron Tracy Jr. who's a good receiving back in 2024.



Of course his college coach is going to say good things about him. Unless a player was a complete shitbag his former college coach will always say good things about him.



It wasn't just expectations. Jones completely shit the bed in 2023 coming off that big payday. I know he got hurt, but his play prior to that was just plain god awful.



While being able to make easy completions will be refreshing to see after watching AR in 2024, almost all QBs in the NFL (starters and backups alike) are capable of doing this.



That's actually a pretty fair comparison since Smith sucked too before Harbaugh helped him start turning things around. Hopefully you're right in that Jones turns his career around like Smith, but I'm not going to hold me breath.

You seriously listed Tyrone Tracy as a weapon?

His offensive line was shit the entire time he was there, and had to play 4 games a year vs 2 of the best dlines in the NFL (eagles and cowboys)

Cutcliffe isn’t just gonna compliment him just because he played for him. Even Giants teammates compliment the guys work ethic and toughness, that’s more than we can say for Richardson.

The Alex Smith comp is pretty good

Believe me I wasn’t happy about signing the guy I wanted a cheaper option like Ridder, but after diving into it more he was the best option and he still has some good football in him.

I’m more confident that he’ll have a bounce back and revitalize his career like Baker or Darnold than I’m confident Richardson will magically work with some QB coach and turn into Josh Allen overnight

[IndyNorm]

You seriously listed Tyrone Tracy as a weapon?

Why wouldn't I? In 12 starts this year he had over 1,100 combined yards as a rookie, which included 38 catches for 284 yds. He's obviously no Saquan, but he proved that he is a good receiver out of the backfield (for comparison Saquan had 41 catches for 280 yds his final year at NYG).

His offensive line was shit the entire time he was there, and had to play 4 games a year vs 2 of the best dlines in the NFL (eagles and cowboys)

Yet when given the chance guys like Tyrod Taylor and Tommy DeVito outplayed Jones w/ the same talent around them.

Cutcliffe isn’t just gonna compliment him just because he played for him. Even Giants teammates compliment the guys work ethic and toughness, that’s more than we can say for Richardson.

Jones was a good player for Cutcliffe in college and seems to be a decent guy, so of course Cutcliffe is going to have good things to say about him. Fair point on his teammates although that really doesn't mean anything if Jones doesn't start producing.

The Alex Smith comp is pretty good

Believe me I wasn’t happy about signing the guy I wanted a cheaper option like Ridder, but after diving into it more he was the best option and he still has some good football in him.

I’m more confident that he’ll have a bounce back and revitalize his career like Baker or Darnold than I’m confident Richardson will magically work with some QB coach and turn into Josh Allen overnight.

Fair points. Although I do believe that AR working w/ Allen's QB coach should lead to improvement. And while I've been critical of the signing I do realize that this isn't that bad of a deal since if Jones doesn't turn things around then we just let him walk w/ no long term harm done. I just don't understand all of the love he's getting on here.

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I hope I’m dead wrong

But this dude has been hurt at every level, never completed a season anywhere or anytime.

Biggest strength is his running ability yet he can’t take a hit and flat out refuses to play smart.

He made some highlight reel throws and could only beat teams that weren’t worth a shit last year.

I have no idea how anyone can have faith in him.

All Colts fans are in the same boat… we want a QB so bad we’re looking for any reason to cling on to some kinda hope.

I’ll go with the tougher guy that plays no matter what even if his athleticism isn’t as good or he can’t throw it as far. Give me the guy that shows up and clocks in every day, takes the hits and keeps coming, I’ll cheer for that guy no matter what

[YDFL Commish]

Yet when given the chance guys like Tyrod Taylor and Tommy DeVito outplayed Jones w/ the same talent around them.



Jones was a good player for Cutcliffe in college and seems to be a decent guy, so of course Cutcliffe is going to have good things to say about him. Fair point on his teammates although that really doesn't mean anything if Jones doesn't start producing.



Fair points. Although I do believe that AR working w/ Allen's QB coach should lead to improvement. And while I've been critical of the signing I do realize that this isn't that bad of a deal since if Jones doesn't turn things around then we just let him walk w/ no long term harm done. I just don't understand all of the love he's getting on here.[/QUOTE]

Devito and Taylor had very small sample sizes and had not played enough to be shell shocked by pummeling, as Jones had.

I don't feel there is that much love for Jones on here. Fields had more love. He was the best choice from a financial and competitive prospective.

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

Yet when given the chance guys like Tyrod Taylor and Tommy DeVito outplayed Jones w/ the same talent around them.



Jones was a good player for Cutcliffe in college and seems to be a decent guy, so of course Cutcliffe is going to have good things to say about him. Fair point on his teammates although that really doesn't mean anything if Jones doesn't start producing.



Fair points. Although I do believe that AR working w/ Allen's QB coach should lead to improvement. And while I've been critical of the signing I do realize that this isn't that bad of a deal since if Jones doesn't turn things around then we just let him walk w/ no long term harm done. I just don't understand all of the love he's getting on here.

Devito and Taylor had very small sample sizes and had not played enough to be shell shocked by pummeling, as Jones had.

I don't feel there is that much love for Jones on here. Fields had more love. He was the best choice from a financial and competitive prospective.[/QUOTE]

I was saying Fields from the beginning also… based off athleticism and the college resume, but the more I think about it Fields has become a run first guy scared to throw into traffic. He hasn’t won anything or played in any big games, unless you count division games in which he couldn’t beat the Packers at all.

Throw into there Fields and AR are buddies jerseys swapped after practice so I highly doubt he was ever an option.

Jones wants to be a starter and is willing to do whatever he has to do.

AR says all the right things but I’m frankly over the off field stories, he’s a great kid that stays and cleans tables for staff members, he’s hungry he’s ready to get to work, he’s involved on the sideline listening to the play calls when he’s injured, he’s working with Josh Allen… blah blah fuckin blah.

Fuck all the charades produce on the field and stay on the field I could care less how many tires you change on the highway