Late Night With a New Lady and Don't Really Care Game Thread

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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I understand what you are saying about the Colts being in an in-between position, but I don't think that the fan base that attends the games at Lucas Oil Stadium is that practical/refined that they cheer loudly during a 2-14 season because we are going to get a high draft pick, and don't cheer loudly during an 8-8 or 7-9 season because we are neither making the playoffs nor getting a high draft pick ........ if they really were like that, they would not have been cheering so loudly when the Colts won 2 games in a row (and very nearly won a 3rd consecutive game) late in the 2011 season. That little almost 3-game winning streak nearly dropped them from the #1 overall pick to #2.
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I’m glad the fans at the game got a show. That’s what they want and paid for. But that isn’t what I was talking about. Also there were a lot of empty seats out there. This is a small market team. They need a face for the franchise and a guy that gives them a shot year in and year out. Ultimately this game doesn’t help us at all except to cement Hines as our return man.

Now imagine if we had won that game and didn’t get that pick. How different would things be today? They almost did the same thing in 1998 and it was just a few plays I believe that got us the Manning pick. That would have been a colossal blunder. If the team had gotten Leaf instead of Manning, the Colts might not be in Indy today. Normally I wouldn’t care that much if it was a few spots. But these two wins may be the difference between nearly ten spots. From a bottom of the top ten to maybe picking in the late teens early twenties.

[WaynesWorld87]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Whoever said that Reich had lost the locker room last week was wrong. These guys have not quit in the least.

Nope. This season has just been a season of "not quite enough." I never thought the players/locker room quit on Reich. Any Colts fan that's watched us the past 5ish weeks and thought the team had quit on Reich are clueless.

We started 5-2 by winning a ton of close games. Some of those 5 wins could've/should've very easily been losses.

And then we went through the 1-6 stretch. Now that stretch of games featured some 2+ score games, both in our favor and not in our favor. Regardless, there were some losses in that stretch that probably should've been wins.

It is what it is. After Luck announced his retirement, I think a lot of us felt like this was a 6-10 to 8-8 team. Reich is a damn good coach with potential to be elite and the offensive line is damn near elite. The defense has potential but also still has gaping holes. And our skill, combined, are below average at best. We clearly need upgrades at QB, WR, and TE.

Anyway, 7-9 or 8-8 isn't a surprise. It just sucks because it means no playoffs and, like, the 15th-ish pick.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

I’m glad the fans at the game got a show. That’s what they want and paid for. But that isn’t what I was talking about. Also there were a lot of empty seats out there. This is a small market team. They need a face for the franchise and a guy that gives them a shot year in and year out. Ultimately this game doesn’t help us at all except to cement Hines as our return man.

Now imagine if we had won that game and didn’t get that pick. How different would things be today? They almost did the same thing in 1998 and it was just a few plays I believe that got us the Manning pick. That would have been a colossal blunder. If the team had gotten Leaf instead of Manning, the Colts might not be in Indy today. Normally I wouldn’t care that much if it was a few spots. But these two wins may be the difference between nearly ten spots. From a bottom of the top ten to maybe picking in the late teens early twenties.

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My post was in regard to the fans' lukewarm reaction to the game today, compared with that of their more enthusiastic reaction in recent years during bad/dubious times. You opined that their sub-par/lukewarm enthusiasm today had to do with their acknowledgement of Brissett being an average-at-best quarterback, and that that did not bode helpful for the future.


The problem with not having a franchise QB is the future doesn’t look promising. I think the fanbase has concluded Brisset just isn’t good enough, and that is a death-knell for a teams outlook, fanbase enthusiasm, marketing, etc.


I countered that their reactions in the past had little to do with whether or not they were thinking in terms of future draft picks, as evidenced by their raucous enthusiasm to their late-season mini-rally.winning streak in the 2011 season, which almost took us out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes ........ so, if they were cheering rabidly for a 1-13 team in a home game which almost took them out of the Andrew Luck draft pick by winning it, I find that to be a stark contrast to a not particularly enthusiastic crowd watching the game win a game handily when their record was 6-8.


The points that you are making about what would have happened if the Colts had lost out on 2 of their most important draft picks in the history of the franchise and that their winning this game could make a significant difference in their 2020 draft position are valid, but they don't belie what I was saying in the first place about the contrasting reactions of the Lucas Oil Stadium crowd to teams that are not/were not playoff-bound.


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[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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My post was in regard to the fans' lukewarm reaction to the game today, compared with that of their more enthusiastic reaction in recent years during bad/dubious times. You opined that their sub-par/lukewarm enthusiasm today had to do with their acknowledgement of Brissett being an average-at-best quarterback, and that that did not bode helpful for the future.


The problem with not having a franchise QB is the future doesn’t look promising. I think the fanbase has concluded Brisset just isn’t good enough, and that is a death-knell for a teams outlook, fanbase enthusiasm, marketing, etc.


I countered that their reactions in the past had little to do with whether or not they were thinking in terms of future draft picks, as evidenced by their raucous enthusiasm to their late-season mini-rally.winning streak in the 2011 season, which almost took us out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes ........ so, if they were cheering rabidly for a 1-13 team in a home game which almost took them out of the Andrew Luck draft pick by winning it, I find that to be a stark contrast to a not particularly enthusiastic crowd watching the game win a game handily when their record was 6-8.


The points that you are making about what would have happened if the Colts had lost out on 2 of their most important draft picks in the history of the franchise and that their winning this game could make a significant difference in the 2020 draft are valid, but they don't belie what I was saying in the first place about the contrasting reactions of the Lucas Oil Stadium crowd to teams that are not/were not playoff-bound.


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Were you at any of these games?

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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My post was in regard to the fans' lukewarm reaction to the game today, compared with that of their more enthusiastic reaction in recent years during bad/dubious times. You opined that their sub-par/lukewarm enthusiasm today had to do with their acknowledgement of Brissett being an average-at-best quarterback, and that that did not bode helpful for the future.


The problem with not having a franchise QB is the future doesn’t look promising. I think the fanbase has concluded Brisset just isn’t good enough, and that is a death-knell for a teams outlook, fanbase enthusiasm, marketing, etc.


I countered that their reactions in the past had little to do with whether or not they were thinking in terms of future draft picks, as evidenced by their raucous enthusiasm to their late-season mini-rally.winning streak in the 2011 season, which almost took us out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes ........ so, if they were cheering rabidly for a 1-13 team in a home game which almost took them out of the Andrew Luck draft pick by winning it, I find that to be a stark contrast to a not particularly enthusiastic crowd watching the game win a game handily when their record was 6-8.


The points that you are making about what would have happened if the Colts had lost out on 2 of their most important draft picks in the history of the franchise and that their winning this game could make a significant difference in their 2020 draft position are valid, but they don't belie what I was saying in the first place about the contrasting reactions of the Lucas Oil Stadium crowd to teams that are not/were not playoff-bound.


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Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Were you at any of these games?

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No, but I have eyes and ears. I've seen the Jets in person and on TV, and my perception of the crowd/fan reaction was not much different from one setting compared to the other.


I made a very direct and simple observation. I don't know why you are contesting/complicating it. If you think that the LOS crowd has become more astute since 2011, fine. They may be, and that would at least partially explain why they were cheering rabidly for a team that was potentially playing itself out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, and not particularly enthusiastic about today's win over the Panthers. I found it to be contrasting, whatever the reasons.


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[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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No, but I have eyes and ears. I've seen the Jets in person and on TV, and my perception of the crowd/fan reaction was not much different from one setting compared to the other.


I made a very direct and simple observation. I don't know why you are contesting/complicating it. If you think that the LOS crowd has become more astute since 2011, fine. They may be, and that would at least partially explain why they were cheering rabidly for a team that was potentially playing itself out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, and not particularly enthusiastic about today's win over the Panthers. I found it to be contrasting, whatever the reasons.


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Chill out, I’m just having a conversation. Maybe those 2011 fans wanted to keep Manning. Certainly a segment of the fan base wanted to keep him no matter the prognosis.

I can’t tell the difference from TV myself. I saw lots of people cheering when they scored. The RCA dome was a small and a small crowd could make that place loud. I saw final fours there with a quarter of the crowd and it was loud. Saw opposing fan bases come in and make noise with few people. I think the new stadium kills sound, that big open space in the middle sound just floats in there and dies. Your viewpoint is so controlled with a broadcast I don’t really trust it. Could be as simple as a mic sensitivity turned down accidentally.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

Chill out, I’m just having a conversation. Maybe those 2011 fans wanted to keep Manning. Certainly a segment of the fan base wanted to keep him no matter the prognosis.

I can’t tell the difference from TV myself. I saw lots of people cheering when they scored. The RCA dome was a small and a small crowd could make that place loud. I saw final fours there with a quarter of the crowd and it was loud. Saw opposing fan bases come in and make noise with few people. I think the new stadium kills sound, that big open space in the middle sound just floats in there and dies. Your viewpoint is so controlled with a broadcast I don’t really trust it. Could be as simple as a mic sensitivity turned down accidentally.

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Yeah, I wanted to keep Manning also.

I was rooting for the Colts in those late-season 2011 games for 2 reasons ........ one was that we still had Manning, and I would have been fine if we had continued the course with him. He was in the twilight of his career, but he was still very much in his prime, as evidenced by his incredible 2012 season with a brand new team with brand new players in Denver.

The other reason why I was rooting for the Colts in those games is that it is literally impossible for me to root against them, regardless of the situation. One time in my life, I actually tried to root against the Colts because I had an ulterior reason ........ that experiment lasted all of about 5 minutes. I called my brother on the phone and told him about the situation, and he told me that because I have been rooting for the Colts for so long, it was counterintuitive for me to root against them, regardless of whatever the secondary reasons may be.

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[smitty46953]

Matt Conti‏ @ColtsConti

Indianapolis did not commit a penalty against Carolina. It marked the first time the #Colts did not have a penalty dating back to December 26, 1999 at Cleveland.

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[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by smitty46953

Matt Conti‏ @ColtsConti

Indianapolis did not commit a penalty against Carolina. It marked the first time the #Colts did not have a penalty, dating back to December 26, 1999 at Cleveland. )


https://twitter.com/ColtsConti/statu...84142370435073

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What a great season that was (up until the upset loss to the Titans in the divisional playoff game.)

A 13-3 record, a division title, and a portent of things to come ......... the sun was going to rise in the East, set in the West, and Peyton Manning as going to find a way to lead the Colts a minimum of 10 wins and a playoff berth, regardless of how good or bad the team that surrounded him was. From 1999 though 2010, that result (10 or more wins and a playoff berth) occurred 11 out of 12 times, with 2001 being lone exception/anomaly.

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[kitekrazy]

How did the Panthers win 5 games?