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Old 08-23-2023, 08:25 PM
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IF we trade him I will be pissed if it is for anything less than a one. A two and a decent player maybe. The Colts have ALL of the power here. Who gives a shit if he is unhappy, I am not giving him away if I am the Colts. What is JT's play if the Colts say 'nope, we want a first'? He has none, he is under contract. The Colts get what they want or the guy plays for us. Much rather have a one at this point.
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IF we trade him I will be pissed if it is for anything less than a one. A two and a decent player maybe. The Colts have ALL of the power here. Who gives a shit if he is unhappy, I am not giving him away if I am the Colts. What is JT's play if the Colts say 'nope, we want a first'? He has none, he is under contract. The Colts get what they want or the guy plays for us. Much rather have a one at this point.
Interesting discussion just now on ESPN radio about how both sides have done incredible damage to one another and how there may be no way for this to go other than him having to suit up for the Colts and attempt to have a record breaking season in an attempt to illustrate to a future suitor that he can continue to be an All Pro WR in the NFL for them.

There's a lot of logic to this discussion.

Taylor's bad move: Taylor is hurt and so much so he remains on PUP (talking heads inferred [they can't in good faith just say it is BS] that's just his BS way of not taking any risk while he tries to get a new deal). That puts any potential team interested in a bad position because even if you think it is ALL BS, the minute you give up significant assets to get him only to find out he isn't capable of returning to form, as a GM, you're gonna get fired.

Colts bad move: Irsay playing his cards publicly in stating the he just isn't that valuable to the organization. So how can you now expect to demand this high draft pick for a player you've already said to the other 31 teams, isn't really that good?

Talking head's speculation- the offers are a 3rd and 4th where as Colts are probably saying they want a 1st looking to get a 2nd and no one is gonna give it. He suits up for Colts in a prove it situation.

They of course then went on to comment about how many times history has shown us- don't so anything in camp, try to just come out cold and end up pulling a hammy or a groin and having an awful season in return.

Crazy but dude could easily be in a position a year from now where he could be a FA and the market is vet min.

Insane shit really...
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IF we trade him I will be pissed if it is for anything less than a one. A two and a decent player maybe. The Colts have ALL of the power here. Who gives a shit if he is unhappy, I am not giving him away if I am the Colts. What is JT's play if the Colts say 'nope, we want a first'? He has none, he is under contract. The Colts get what they want or the guy plays for us. Much rather have a one at this point.
The other precedent to think about is; if a rookie plays well and outperforming his contract per se. Can he then go on to force a trade to another team in order to make more money? Even while in the middle of that contract.
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I would assume any team interested would have their doctors looking at him and getting JT's perspective on any injury and would likely write a contract heavy on performance incentives, in other words if you are hurt and not contributing to our success you ain't getting paid the big bucks you are wanting! If that is the case, he will get his trade, there are always teams willing to overpay for talent, Colts have done it themselves a number of times!
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I remember when Emmitt Smith held out in 1993, and missed the first 2 games of that season ......

The Cowboys started that 1993 season at 0-2 without Smith ......

Smith eventually came back in Week 3, won the NFL MVP in spite of missing those first 2 games, and the and the Cowboys went on to win the Super Bowl.



Cowboys Pay Big for Smith: After Two Losses, Dallas Finally Gives Running Back What He Wanted: ‘Thurman Thomas Money’

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https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...152-story.html

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I'm not necessarily predicting that the Colts will win the Super Bowl this year if they retain the services of Johnathan Taylor ...... I'm simply pointing out that there have been numerous times in the past in which teams have overcome what many thought to be impending doom during a contract dispute with a superstar running back.

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It certainly feels like he 100 percent will be traded. Things have clearly gotten unsustainable between the two sides.
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It certainly feels like he 100 percent will be traded. Things have clearly gotten unsustainable between the two sides.
If you believe the talking heads. You are probably correct, and if we get a one or equivalent I would hope you are, but when money is the issue you can never be sure until the ink dries
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So at this point I'm assuming that Steichen doesn't want/need him. Maybe he prefers RB by committee and would rather put the Taylor money into one or two other players? It's the only thing that makes sense unless Taylor just did a complete heel turn like when Andre the Giant joined the Heenan family back in the day. Wouldn't that make Leonard a heel too, since they have the same manager? Hmm.

If Tuesday comes and there's still no deal, waive him. Just get him out of here.
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