Wentz Getting Cut? Maybe

[Discflinger]

I doubt Sam would make it half the season before being hurt.

[Dam8610]

Sam Ehlinger is the answer to the question "What QB could the Colts go into the 2022 season with as their starter to ensure they will get the #1 overall pick in 2023?"

[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by njcoltfan

Whats the problem with going with Ellinger next year, at worst he sucks, improving your draft position looking towards drafting his replacement, at best he surprises, has a fantastic year and proves that he just might be the guy!! Anyway you try, Wentz, Ellinger or FA, its probably going to be ANOTHER lost season!!

That was my point. Get what we can out of Wentz and roll with the kid. Worse case scenario we are in the same place but without the price tag. Best case scenario we suck and improve our draft position, or he pleasantly surprises and performs well.

[Oldcolt]

Unless ‘the kid’ has somehow found an NFL arm it doesn’t matter how smart he is. And why does anyone think he is so wonderful at reading defenses and leading this team? Did you not watch his preseason? Seems like a nice young man but not our savior by any means. We are in a world of hurt.

[Brylok]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Unless ‘the kid’ has somehow found an NFL arm it doesn’t matter how smart he is. And why does anyone think he is so wonderful at reading defenses and leading this team? Did you not watch his preseason? Seems like a nice young man but not our savior by any means. We are in a world of hurt.

I've just had this feeling that it's even worse than we think. Ballard and Reich are probably both on hot seats, and Reich is hanging by a thread. Ballard is floundering with an ill-built team with two offensive weapons, and Diamond Jim is pissed. To me, the shine is completely off of Ballard. We're bang average with a great RB, LG, linebacker, and a number 2 receiver. That's it. Five years and that's all we have. I just have a feeling it's worse than we think over there. Roast me if y'all want.

[Brylok]

I forgot to mention Buckner. He's really good too, but he's double teamed so often he's rendered irrelevant.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Brylok

I've just had this feeling that it's even worse than we think. Ballard and Reich are probably both on hot seats, and Reich is hanging by a thread. Ballard is floundering with an ill-built team with two offensive weapons, and Diamond Jim is pissed. To me, the shine is completely off of Ballard. We're bang average with a great RB, LG, linebacker, and a number 2 receiver. That's it. Five years and that's all we have. I just have a feeling it's worse than we think over there. Roast me if y'all want.

That's why I don't understand why so many on here defend either one of these guys with such vigilance. When you look at the results, neither one of them has really done much of anything to speak of. We literally have the EXACT same problems we went into last off season with, and with a hell of a lot less options to try to remedy due to Frank massaging Wentz's sack and Ballard trying to get Freeney and Mathis year 5 results out of 2 rookies- one of which couldn't even play. When you step back and look at things with a wide lens, Ballard really kind of seems to suck at this GM thing.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by Brylok

I've just had this feeling that it's even worse than we think. Ballard and Reich are probably both on hot seats, and Reich is hanging by a thread. Ballard is floundering with an ill-built team with two offensive weapons, and Diamond Jim is pissed. To me, the shine is completely off of Ballard. We're bang average with a great RB, LG, linebacker, and a number 2 receiver. That's it. Five years and that's all we have. I just have a feeling it's worse than we think over there. Roast me if y'all want.

I think the Wentz debacle has definitely hurt both Ballard and Reich, I'm sure they have both lost some level of respect across the league...it wasn't as bad as the Trent Richardson butt reaming that Cleveland gave Grigson, but it was close! Since Wentz is still on the roster, my guess is either Reich or Ballard, or both, want to try to salvage this deal and give him another shot and hope he proves everyone wrong! I would love to be proven wrong, but until I hear Wentz speak out and say he's wants to stay and work his ass off in the off season to get better, I don't see it happening!

[apballin]

Bottom line this is Taylor’s team on offense now

Wentz has zero precision passing/timing throws he holds it waaayyy too long every fucking time I don’t know if that’s fixable. Reich took a chance on his old long lost son and it failed we all wanted it to work but obviously it didn’t. I’d rather get a QB in here that is a game manager and doesn’t turn it over with the understanding he’s a compliment to JT. That’s my biggest concern is Reich continually game after game tried to make Wentz the hero and it fucked us.

Look how successful Rivers was he got the ball out quick and that’s before we knew how good Taylor was.

It didn’t work, blame whatever you want Wentz ankles, lack of weapons (which I don’t agree with) , Covid at the end of the year whatever we went to the playoffs with Rivers in year one and Wentz steps in with the exact same team a much improved running back and shits the bed

I’m with Irsay on this one Carson has got to go it’s Taylor’s team and Reichs biased emotions will always get in the way it’s not 2017 anymore Frank the Carson you loved is long gone

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

That's why I don't understand why so many on here defend either one of these guys with such vigilance. When you look at the results, neither one of them has really done much of anything to speak of. We literally have the EXACT same problems we went into last off season with, and with a hell of a lot less options to try to remedy due to Frank massaging Wentz's sack and Ballard trying to get Freeney and Mathis year 5 results out of 2 rookies- one of which couldn't even play. When you step back and look at things with a wide lens, Ballard really kind of seems to suck at this GM thing.

Objectively speaking Ballard is probably around the NFL average. He drafts pretty well, manages the cap well, and has made some good trades. On the other hand he has completely ignores glaring team needs and isn't good at proactively replacing players at super important positions (AC, TY, etc.). He also seems to put more much more importance on physical traits rather than production, which has led to some big misses with early round draft picks.

He's also gotten a pretty big pass on things b/c the guy he replaced was incompetent (that goes for Frank as well).

If we have another offseason or 2 of completely ignoring team needs then it might be time to move on.