Luck to IR

[albany ed]

So Irsay knew Luck's condition when he signed him to that fat contract with 44 million guaranteed? He's even dumber than I thought.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by albany ed

So Irsay knew Luck's condition when he signed him to that fat contract with 44 million guaranteed? He's even dumber than I thought.

I was very happy to hear Stuck and Gunner bringing back into focus the lack of control / authority / inability to govern things by Chuck as an attachment to this issue. They talked about how this injury is not some shot out of left field that snuck up on everyone- that it goes back into the 2015 season and how Chuck and Grigs probably both felt their jobs were in jeopardy and as such probably were susceptible to Luck saying "it hurts but I can go" and then keeping him in despite shot after shot- including last year's brutality. They then brought up the recent demolishment of Jacoby and Chuck's statement that he wouldn't come out- and then flipped it all the way around to Irsay as being the guy that bears the responsibility for allowing a coach and likely GM to jeopardize the franchise out of fear of losing his job- and that's a great summation of it.

Like it or not, Jim Irsay is the top rung of the ladder and when a 15 year prodigy may be done for because he has allowed incompetent cowards to ruin him in the span of 5 years- that is Jim's burden to carry.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by albany ed

So Irsay knew Luck's condition when he signed him to that fat contract with 44 million guaranteed? He's even dumber than I thought.

You know Ed, you’re making to much sence to be posting on this board!! I’ll have to admit that Irsay signing him to that contract knowing what we all know now seems ludicrous!! I will however, not believe that Grigson, and Pagano to some extent, didn’t know what was going on. Jesus, after the Titan game in 2015 it was reported that Luck couldn’t even put on a shirt.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

We agree to disagree.

My take - Luck is PROBABLY capable of playing- probably, and probably at say 85% of what is highest capacity is- which is all-pro starter.

I don't think he was ready to play at the beginning of the year, and listening to various voices with considerable knowledge of the surgery type- to think he would have been ready to start the season would be naive. Sales job # 1- people are not stupid- we KNOW this team is shit without him and if he's not on the field, lots of empty seats pretending to be Colts fans- so we get strung along.

In looking at the progression- I think they started thinking there was a possibility of this team gelling and the division being so weak even a 70% Luck could keep us in the competition narrative and you started to hear optimistic voices that he was going to start practicing, etc.... To me, you look at when the hopes started rising, it was when we had the win over hapless Cleveland and a win against Seahawks would have found us tied for first.

Then the bottom fell out in the 2nd half of that game. But there remained some positive vibes that we could still be in this thing as we squeaked out the win against the equally woeful 9ers.

However as it became progressively more clear that against mediocre teams that are physical we had no chance- then even the scam artist Jim had to concede he needed to shelve Luck for 2 reasons:
1- IF he isn't done, a couple games behind these crap ass MF'ers that he proclaimed had "fixed" the OL in Feb (sales lie # 2)- Luck certainly WOULD be done for his career by the end of his 2-3rd game back.
2- This team is constructed on top of a fucking talent landfill. Regardless of who you want to blame, Grigs, Chuck, fucking Ballard, who cares- the roster is laughable. WE NEED HIGH DRAFT PICKS. Wins hurt that. A 75-80% Luck is going to garner what, 2 maybe 3 additional wins- what the fuck good does that do us--- NONE!

So then he turns the organization into Sales scam # 3 - Luck can't take the field due to pain. To me, he only goes this direction after finally having to concede all his piss poor decisions have compounded themselves and landed him with a steaming pile of ass.

My take is Jim isn't pissed at all, he needs to say that to save face with a fanbase that is completely apathetic at this point and more or less could give a shit about the crap product he is responsible for- he needs to create distance and that's what he's doing now.

Fuck Jim- he is the man that makes the decisions and his decisions have been horrible for this franchise lately. Step down and let someone else drive this thing.

Yep. We will disagree. You contradicted yourself there and everyone sees it.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I was very happy to hear Stuck and Gunner bringing back into focus the lack of control / authority / inability to govern things by Chuck as an attachment to this issue. They talked about how this injury is not some shot out of left field that snuck up on everyone- that it goes back into the 2015 season and how Chuck and Grigs probably both felt their jobs were in jeopardy and as such probably were susceptible to Luck saying "it hurts but I can go" and then keeping him in despite shot after shot- including last year's brutality. They then brought up the recent demolishment of Jacoby and Chuck's statement that he wouldn't come out- and then flipped it all the way around to Irsay as being the guy that bears the responsibility for allowing a coach and likely GM to jeopardize the franchise out of fear of losing his job- and that's a great summation of it.

Like it or not, Jim Irsay is the top rung of the ladder and when a 15 year prodigy may be done for because he has allowed incompetent cowards to ruin him in the span of 5 years- that is Jim's burden to carry.

grigs and pagano didn't play luck to save their jobs. they played him because the docs said luck could play. and guess what? he did play. he played very fucking well.

his shoulder just never got better.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

grigs and pagano didn't play luck to save their jobs. they played him because the docs said luck could play. and guess what? he did play. he played very fucking well.

his shoulder just never got better.

And a lot of us posted during that time about how for a guy who should be an absolute dead eye based on his talent and his years in the league he was throwing too many passes off the mark and definitely throwing too high too frequently. We'll never be able to prove it but it sure as fuck is starting to sound like there was a bunch of fucking damage in there and he was / is just "that" good that he could overcome it. So if we as fans make these observations and repeatedly comment about it- shouldn't all these fucking high dollar coaches, trainers, etc... be picking up on this shit? If they didn't well fuck me, I guess it doesn't come as a tremendous shock given the horrible staff we have, but if they did, and they chose not to fucking have it looked into---- well then WHY would that be- for the fucking fun of it Omaha, just for the fucking fun of not knowing why it was happening???

[Brylok]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

If we clean house totally, does that likely mean the training staff too?

Honest question.

I have no idea anymore. This is now an absolute shit show. Waters not navigated since the pre-Manning days.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

And a lot of us posted during that time about how for a guy who should be an absolute dead eye based on his talent and his years in the league he was throwing too many passes off the mark and definitely throwing too high too frequently. We'll never be able to prove it but it sure as fuck is starting to sound like there was a bunch of fucking damage in there and he was / is just "that" good that he could overcome it. So if we as fans make these observations and repeatedly comment about it- shouldn't all these fucking high dollar coaches, trainers, etc... be picking up on this shit? If they didn't well fuck me, I guess it doesn't come as a tremendous shock given the horrible staff we have, but if they did, and they chose not to fucking have it looked into---- well then WHY would that be- for the fucking fun of it Omaha, just for the fucking fun of not knowing why it was happening???

We knew his shoulder was messed up last year due to his odd practice habits. They thought it would get better but it didn't. Not everything is a conspiracy

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

We knew his shoulder was messed up last year due to his odd practice habits. They thought it would get better but it didn't. Not everything is a conspiracy

And when it didn't, and there was nothing fucking done to fix it, who might have been behind that decision? It could have been all the way to the top and been Jim desperately clinging to that SB dream since we were in the AFCCG just a couple years prior, it also could have been a couple fucking idiots (proven by empirical evidence over the span of 2.5 seasons now) who were clinging to the fucking hope of waking up to having their jobs each morning.

Don't lose focus on one very important FACT as I understand it- ANDREW LUCK made the decision to have surgery- and I think it was Irsay who made the first comment along those lines. That and the use of his surgeon would lend some credence to the team (whoever the fuck it is they wear blue clothes with a horseshoe on them) not treating this appropriately from the beginning.

Fuck you and the "conspiracy" shit. There's a lot of anecdotal evidence that you have a coach that wouldn't be able to recognize the need to do something if a guy came off carrying one of his legs in his hands "clap clap pat on butt- get some ice and keep getting out there and chopping that wood".

This isn't my theory by the way assfuck, it came out of the S&G show all I am doing is posting it. And the Jacoby Brissett thing is a visible demonstration of how willing Pags is to sacrifice his guys to destruction- maybe not even to salvage meaningless wins, maybe just because he is that obtuse.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

And a lot of us posted during that time about how for a guy who should be an absolute dead eye based on his talent and his years in the league he was throwing too many passes off the mark and definitely throwing too high too frequently. We'll never be able to prove it but it sure as fuck is starting to sound like there was a bunch of fucking damage in there and he was / is just "that" good that he could overcome it. So if we as fans make these observations and repeatedly comment about it- shouldn't all these fucking high dollar coaches, trainers, etc... be picking up on this shit? If they didn't well fuck me, I guess it doesn't come as a tremendous shock given the horrible staff we have, but if they did, and they chose not to fucking have it looked into---- well then WHY would that be- for the fucking fun of it Omaha, just for the fucking fun of not knowing why it was happening???

Well, it wasn't you posting it. You just joined and started being a drama queen a couple of months ago.