quick thoughts on the bengals

[GoBigBlue88]

Originally Posted by Puck

I was impressed with Hines. He had a nice game. He is going to be a weapon in the passing game

Especially when he can be in a dual backfield with Mack or Turbin, IMO, then split out when directed. You saw the impact in freeing up Ebron to get a flag route on a safety today when Hines held the corner just standing as smoke screen eligible basically.

[Colt Classic]

Whatever happened with Ebron? Was he not in at the end?

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Puck

So you are admitting that Pagano hired the wrong OC's and tried to make them run an archaic offense?


Have you noticed that Reich (offensive minded coach) hasn't tried to make the DC which he did not hire.... run a different de
Game decisions didn't make you scratch your head like in the pigshit era. Did you see how the half ended while we has the lead? We didn't sit on the lead and go into the locker room like pigshit would havefense than what he is used to?




TBH if Pags wasn't such an idiot and hired the right people and stayed out of their way he MAY have still had a job. But he meddled in areas he had no strengths in.

I've said all along that Pagano's biggest weakness was offensive playcalling and gameplan. That this is a revelation to you shows how little you paid attention to what I've been saying.

[GoBigBlue88]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I've said all along that Pagano's biggest weakness was offensive playcalling and gameplan. That this is a revelation to you shows how little you paid attention to what I've been saying.

Was the defensive design and playcalling also sucking just a fun bonus?

[Puck]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

I've said all along that Pagano's biggest weakness was offensive playcalling and gameplan. That this is a revelation to you shows how little you paid attention to what I've been saying.

now you’re catching on

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88

Yeah, there's definitely a losing culture that still needs to be shed.

I wouldn’t read to much into the culture yet. It was the first game of the season and a very young team. Some sloppy play and mistakes should be expected. It’s easy to blame the loss on a few critical plays like Luck’s pick and Geathers PI penalty. But to me the game was lost in the consistently poor plays. Letting what was the 2nd worst rushing offense in the league last year average over 5 yds a carry. Letting Andy freaking Dalton complete 75% of his passes for - 109.7 rating. They weren’t killed by chunk plays or big plays, Or even the boneheaded plays. It was consistently poor play defensively. How many 6-7 yd runs did they allow on first down? That’s not unexpected considering what the coaching staff was given to work with. I’ll judge the culture after a few games and see if they cut down on the boneheaded plays, but I doubt the overall poor play changes. Coaching matters, but it’s still trumped by talent. And defensively the Colts are severely lacking.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

Like I said, you judge them on offensive gameplan. Nothing you mentioned isn't about offense. Pagano was awful at offensive gameplan, as I mentioned several times throughout his tenure, and Reich was obviously very good at that today. Even compensating for missing OTs is, you guessed it, offensive gameplan.



I did. It's called offensive gameplan.



His original point #3 and follow up post.



What I've been saying all along. It would take a lot to convince me that Nelson will have a bigger impact over the course of his career than whoever the Colts would've picked with 12 and 22, and today did nothing to help that case.

For the sake of humanity would you please just shut the fuck up. Where the dial says "On/Off"- fucking turn it to OFF and leave it there!

FUCK!

[Colt Classic]

Mack & Roquan Smith going crazy for the Bears. I'd prefer a slow rebuild and start with pieces that don't have such a visible impact.

[Chromeburn]

Like many games last year, this was winnable. Unlike last year, the arrow is pointing up. As I watch Mack rip apart the Packers I wonder what could have been if we traded for him.

This defense has no pass rush, I hope it changes but I don't think it will. If you don't have a pass rush, your defense will suck. We need a 3-tech in the middle to make this D work. People keep looking at The old Tampa 2 we ran and think we need a Freeney and Mathis. It would be nice but we should look at the Bear and Tampa builds for the design. There should be a lot of good DTs available next draft. Unfortunately, no help is coming this year. I have my doubts about the Tampa 2 system, I think the league has moved on from it. But at least get the right personnel to make it work.

Leonard looks like a keeper and a bright spot, but all the LBs are raw. They will be better at the end of the year. Hooker looks a step slow to me. I think it takes two years to recover from knee injuries. And don't forget, experience wise, he is still essentially a rookie.

The offense looks competent and should get better with more time running it and more experience. The rookies need more game time. It is fairly encouraging that they did so well on their first outing. Too bad Deon Cain tore his knee, I think he would do well in this system.

When it comes down to it, this is not a playoff team. The front office doesn't think so, we shouldn't either. We have 60 million in cap space. It's a rebuilding year. I expect them to address the defense next year, but this year, expect a long season when it comes to the D. It will be the Achilles of this team this year.

[Oldcolt]

Off the subject of Pagano (could we ban bringing him up for say a month) but I liked this defense a lot better than last years. They gave up way to many big plays, were way to inconsistent and didn’t play as a unit all the time. On top of that we lack talent at several positions. But we are on a rebuild like it or not. I saw speed and most importantly something I haven’t seen a colts defense do in a long time-create turnovers. I know only one game but that is a mindset we have been missing. Looking forward to seeing improvement I, along with a lot of you freaks, have hope for the future. Nothing is more fun than watching your team go from shit to winning. We got the shit part down pretty good Now let’s hope we learn how to win