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Old 08-22-2023, 01:57 PM
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I'm OK with the turnout of this entire situation, either way ......


A) ) If Taylor stays with the Colts in 2023 and beyond, we'll be retaining the services of an outstanding running back.


B) ) If Taylor leaves the Colts, even great running backs are replaceable, particularly if you you have several other strong areas on the team.


You just never know how these kinds of things will turn out ...... remember that when we traded Nyheim Hines for Zack Moss, Hines was coming off a 2021 season in which he averaged 4.9 yards-per carry. He certainly looked like a star on the rise. In return, we got the seemingly-average Zack Moss. Moss was generally untested at the time of the trade, and therefore he was an unknown in regard to what to expect of him. Moss wound up having numerous excellent games for the Colts after the trade last year, and Hines wound up damaging his knee last month in a watercraft accident which will cause him to miss the entire 2023 season ...... like I said, you just never know how things will turn out in these types of situations with running backs, and therefore I am content with allowing things to play out and letting the chips fall where they may.


A more historic example of things working out well for the Colts in regard to a departed star running back was when Lydell Mitchell was traded to the Chargers for Joe Washington prior to the 1978 season ...... Washington essentially filled Mitchell's shoes at the position, making the Pro Bowl in his second season with the team in 1979. The loss of Bert Jones to shoulder injuries wound up being much more detrimental to the team than did the loss of Mitchell.

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Browns are hurting because of that terrible contract.
Other teams can have at it. I don't want us to be a team mentioned as a cautionary tale like CLE-Watson, NYJ-Bell, DAL-Elliott... just take the free education.

At some point, though, it'll be nice when all teams stop volunteering to be the next guinea pig. Maybe players wouldn't stick their heads quite so far up their own ass if they stopped seeing teams do dumb shit.
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I thought things were getting better? He had rejoined the team and I assumed he would be evaluated and hopefully be cleared to practice...what the hell happened? Kid's either got a screw loose or the Colts are just trying to convince him that the grass isn't greener anywhere else than it is in Indy!
Maybe a bit of both.

It would be good for both parties make a deal. Unfortunately that would mean calmer heads would prevail, and that opportunity has been missed.
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To me this really has very little to do with the Colts. It is about the bigger issue of how running backs money isn't keeping up with other offensive players. The problem is that rule changes have made running backs complimentary pieces, they don't deserve (if your goal is winning) the same money as the other pieces do-rules changes have made that inevitable. Running backs don't like this and so we have this labor dispute. To me these running backs need to accept reality. This group may never but the next will grow up knowing and need to accept reality. It sucks for all sides but especially for us fans.
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To me this really has very little to do with the Colts. It is about the bigger issue of how running backs money isn't keeping up with other offensive players. The problem is that rule changes have made running backs complimentary pieces, they don't deserve (if your goal is winning) the same money as the other pieces do-rules changes have made that inevitable. Running backs don't like this and so we have this labor dispute. To me these running backs need to accept reality. This group may never but the next will grow up knowing and need to accept reality. It sucks for all sides but especially for us fans.
While agree wholeheartedly, it still suck for RB's that it has come to this. They have the shortest shelf life of any position within the NFL, yet take the most punishment. This is in the end a NFLPA problem.
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To me this really has very little to do with the Colts. It is about the bigger issue of how running backs money isn't keeping up with other offensive players. The problem is that rule changes have made running backs complimentary pieces, they don't deserve (if your goal is winning) the same money as the other pieces do-rules changes have made that inevitable. Running backs don't like this and so we have this labor dispute. To me these running backs need to accept reality. This group may never but the next will grow up knowing and need to accept reality. It sucks for all sides but especially for us fans.
That is so on point. The game has been (and continues to be) artificially transformed in the direction of overwhelming passing games. I half-joke that they're eventually going to become 7-on-7. I think it's a combination of things...

One is the overcompensation (in my opinion as a fan) of the league as a reaction to the lawsuits and bad PR they got when CTE became mainstream. Now we get weekly BS roughing calls on QB's and receivers.

The other is the appeal of these Air-Raid style college offenses that started popping up around the turn of the century. Lots of excitement. So now officials enforce illegal contact like they're Pai Mei.

And now we shit on RB's.
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That is so on point. The game has been (and continues to be) artificially transformed in the direction of overwhelming passing games. I half-joke that they're eventually going to become 7-on-7. I think it's a combination of things...

One is the overcompensation (in my opinion as a fan) of the league as a reaction to the lawsuits and bad PR they got when CTE became mainstream. Now we get weekly BS roughing calls on QB's and receivers.

The other is the appeal of these Air-Raid style college offenses that started popping up around the turn of the century. Lots of excitement. So now officials enforce illegal contact like they're Pai Mei.

And now we shit on RB's.
Its about the rules and TV. Fans want offense and scoring. Can you imagine what AirCoryell would look like now with todays officiating?

If running backs need to be more like Marshall Faulk. Part time rusher, not ask to block an on coming blitzer. Get them in space, watch them go.

O linemen have changed over time. Passing means pass blocking, big men who are not dancing bears, but big men light on their feet, can move with line mates to keep the Qb clean.

Fans want scoring, lots of scoring and ground pounding is too boring. No one wants Jim Brown, they want Lamar Jackson.

When QB’s start falling and failing from the beating they take, the league will return to the running game.
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Some reality is needed here. Yes they have not increased in value along with other weapons but give me a break, this guy is 24 years old and going to make in one year more than 95+% of men and women make in a lifetime. This is not some traumatic situation where people are not able to feed or clothe their children. If he stayed here, played three years and was tagged he still makes 30 million over the next few years. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for NFL running backs.
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Some reality is needed here. Yes they have not increased in value along with other weapons but give me a break, this guy is 24 years old and going to make in one year more than 95+% of men and women make in a lifetime. This is not some traumatic situation where people are not able to feed or clothe their children. If he stayed here, played three years and was tagged he still makes 30 million over the next few years. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for NFL running backs.
the money isn't that relevant.

he is arguing his value is to the organization is more than what the colts think it is. he is absolutely fine to believe that and to argue that. sure he will be fine either way but that is irrelevant.
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the money isn't that relevant.

he is arguing his value is to the organization is more than what the colts think it is. he is absolutely fine to believe that and to argue that. sure he will be fine either way but that is irrelevant.
I agree with you, he has every right to try to get more money. My point is, either way, he is rich compared to most of us. Financially, I don't feel sorry for what he has-I understand that he, like everyone, wants more. Don't fault him at all, just don't feel bad for his situation from a money point of view.
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