2017 Draft Thread

[sherck]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

If the Colts end up trading to the back of the first round, I'm hoping they'll take T.J. Watt at that point, but I'd prefer to get Reddick at 15.

My thought process for the first round:

Option A = If one of the "elite" defenders falls to 1-15 (OLB Myles Garrett, 3-tech DT Jonathan Allen, S Jamal Adams, CB Marshon Lattimore, 3-tech DT Solomon Thomas or ILB Reuben Foster) then you take them regardless of position. Their chances to be long-term impactful players are excellent.

Option B = If none of the "elite" defenders are available but either 1) Derek Barnett or 2) Hasson Riddick are available you draft them at 1-15.

Option C = If none of the above are available, you trade back to the mid 20s (1 or 2 jumps back) and you pick 1) T.J. Watt, 2) Charles Harris, 3) Taco Charleston or 4) Carl Lawson.

I think Watt has the makings of an elite pass rusher, much like his brother. I think he needs to add another 15-20 pounds of muscle to his frame but I think he is a guy that you can move all over the field to get a good matchup.

I don't mind Charles Harris or Carl Lawson or Taco Charleston but I want one of Barnett, Riddick or Watt.

I would pass on Tim Williams (too dumb to pick up Alabama defensive system?), Jordan Willis (one trick pony with outside rush only), Malik McDowell (I don't see dominance), Zach Cunningham (little pass rush ability) or Takkarist McKinley (did not learn any technique in 3 years at UCLA, unteachable?).

As a later round pass rusher, I like Washington's Joe Mathis. He is probably a 1st round draft pick if his season had not been cut short after only 6 games in 2016. He probably will not contribute much in 2017 but he would be drafted for the future.

Cheers,

[natagu23]

Trade back.

Grab Gareon Conley at corner later in the first and pick up a couple of picks.

Sherck might like this little tidbit....Conley had the lowest QB rating in the nation when targeted according to PFF.

Conley is the 2nd best Corner in the draft imo. He could easily turn into a pro-bowler if he learns to use his hands more.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by natagu23

Trade back.

Grab Gareon Conley at corner later in the first and pick up a couple of picks.

Sherck might like this little tidbit....Conley had the lowest QB rating in the nation when targeted according to PFF.

Conley is the 2nd best Corner in the draft imo. He could easily turn into a pro-bowler if he learns to use his hands more.

I'm not sure Conley will be there at 15, much less later in Rd 1.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by HoosierinFL

They just about flat out said the main reason they were willing to trade Allen was because they were excited about the TE depth in this draft and wanted more picks. To me this means they thought they could get rid of Allen's larger contract and injury history and draft a replacement.

Allen's replacement is already on the roster. His name is Jack Doyle. You're conveniently leaving out Ballard's comments about Swoope in your assessment. You characterized it as a given that they would draft a TE. I'm not saying they definitely won't. I'm just saying that I don't think it's a certainty. This draft could unfold many different ways.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by sherck

My thought process for the first round:

Option A = If one of the "elite" defenders falls to 1-15 (OLB Myles Garrett, 3-tech DT Jonathan Allen, S Jamal Adams, CB Marshon Lattimore, 3-tech DT Solomon Thomas or ILB Reuben Foster) then you take them regardless of position. Their chances to be long-term impactful players are excellent.

Option B = If none of the "elite" defenders are available but either 1) Derek Barnett or 2) Hasson Riddick are available you draft them at 1-15.

Option C = If none of the above are available, you trade back to the mid 20s (1 or 2 jumps back) and you pick 1) T.J. Watt, 2) Charles Harris, 3) Taco Charleston or 4) Carl Lawson.

I think Watt has the makings of an elite pass rusher, much like his brother. I think he needs to add another 15-20 pounds of muscle to his frame but I think he is a guy that you can move all over the field to get a good matchup.

I don't mind Charles Harris or Carl Lawson or Taco Charleston but I want one of Barnett, Riddick or Watt.

I would pass on Tim Williams (too dumb to pick up Alabama defensive system?), Jordan Willis (one trick pony with outside rush only), Malik McDowell (I don't see dominance), Zach Cunningham (little pass rush ability) or Takkarist McKinley (did not learn any technique in 3 years at UCLA, unteachable?).

As a later round pass rusher, I like Washington's Joe Mathis. He is probably a 1st round draft pick if his season had not been cut short after only 6 games in 2016. He probably will not contribute much in 2017 but he would be drafted for the future.

Cheers,

I just don't see it with Barnett. The guy is a one trick pony right now. Maybe he can be coached up, but that's too much of a risk for me if Harris is on the board. If you trade down and Harris is gone, then I'm ok with Barnett.

[natagu23]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

I just don't see it with Barnett. The guy is a one trick pony right now. Maybe he can be coached up, but that's too much of a risk for me if Harris is on the board. If you trade down and Harris is gone, then I'm ok with Barnett.

I second that but for different reasons.

Barnett doesn't have the explosion you need to be a decent pass rusher in this league.

He looked slow coming off the ball at Tennessee and didnt really change my mind at the combine.

[natagu23]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

I'm not sure Conley will be there at 15, much less later in Rd 1.

Conley's stock has jumped after a solid combine and pro day. You cant teach that kinda size and athleticism.

However, I doubt he comes off the board in the teens let alone at 15.

I see him coming off the board somewhere in the 20's.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

I just don't see it with Barnett. The guy is a one trick pony right now. Maybe he can be coached up, but that's too much of a risk for me if Harris is on the board. If you trade down and Harris is gone, then I'm ok with Barnett.

You know that Barnett had more career sacks at Tennessee than Reggie White? I really don't care that he is a "one trick pony", because that "one trick" is getting to the QB, exactly what the defense is lacking. If he is there at 15 ( and he probably won't be) I'd have the card up to the podium while Goodell was still hugging the Eagles pick !!

[Puck]

Originally Posted by natagu23

Lookout for this Forrest Lamp kid- Guard Western Kentucky

This guy can play pretty much every position on the line and i mean every position.

He shined versus Alabama.

This is a pick that could solidify the oline but could warrant the surprised "Who?" reaction if we call his name come the 15th pick.

Agree......this would give us a dominate Oline for years to come.

Plenty of good to great defensive players available in rounds 2-4. This is the best olineman in the draft, and we have seen how many times we lose an olineman to injury.

WE MUST PROTECT LUCK! THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT!!!!

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by natagu23

Lookout for this Forrest Lamp kid- Guard Western Kentucky

This guy can play pretty much every position on the line and i mean every position.

He shined versus Alabama.

This is a pick that could solidify the oline but could warrant the surprised "Who?" reaction if we call his name come the 15th pick.

His listing as a guard makes me doubt his athleticism to hold up at LT in the NFL, though admittedly I've watched no film of him. That said, LT is the only OL position worth a Top 15 pick.