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[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I don't really care how AD performs. Pundits say that since it worked out for the team, somehow it was a bad trade for the other team. l There is no way to know how the player would have performed on his previous team if he was not traded. Sometimes a player only improves by having a new situation, either because the situation is better for him, or because he only learned to improve by the first team giving up on him. l In the case of Mitchell, he was a luxury as a WR4, and we needed a CB a lot worse, so it was a good trade, at the time. Hindsight is always 50/50, but GMs do not have crustal balls to know how it will work out, but they swing for the fences anyway. Ballard haters will always play the hindsight game. But they only play it when it turns out bad, and not when he gets a player like DeForest Buckner.

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If I had to take a wild guess, I would say that the blunders that Adonai Mitchell committed while playing for the Colts (particularly dropping the ball at the 1/2-yardline, and nullifying a Jonathan Taylor touchdown with a holding penalty that was nowhere near the play in the same game against the Rams) weighed on him. And because of that, even though he went from a team that was at the time one of the favorites to win the AFC Championship to one of the worst teams in the NFL, it was a relief for him ...... he has gotten a lot more playing time with his new team, and he is no longer carrying the weight of blowing a crucial game for a team that was (at that time) fighting for the #1 overall seed in the AFC.

Subsequently, I completely agree with you ...... there is no way to accurately presume just how Mitchell would have performed had he stayed with the Colts ...... in fact, there is a good chance that he still would have been sitting on the sidelines for the majority of the games that the Colts have played since he was traded.

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[sherck]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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More significantly, we're not going to know how good or bad that trade was for at least a couple of years.

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What?!? No!!!! Must grade now!!! Must decide all future value now!!!! COLTS SUCK!!!! BALLARD SUCKS!


Yeah, I hope I covered it all....

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I actually agree with this and under normal circumstances would think it is good criticism. I think however that the amount of leeway you give a player when you know when you draft him he has huge holes in his game but still gamble a second round draft pick on the man is greater than this. I agree you never know but if you are going to spend a second round draft pick on a dude you damn well should know before you give up on him. It isn't something you fire people over but when you decide to keep Banogu for years but give up on AD (assuming he turns it around) I do believe it says something about your player evaluation.

I think they have shown growth in not keeping mistakes like they did early on. If you make a mistake, get something for the mistake if you can.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by nate505

It wasn't even the worst trade the Colts made in the past 5 years.

Now there is some high praise for Chris Ballard!

[Oldcolt]

[QUOTE=Racehorse;338723]I think they have shown growth in not keeping mistakes like they did early on. If you make a mistake, get something for the mistake if you can.[/QUOTE

Thanks. This makes sense to me. You see progress, which means to me you thought it was needed. If I am Ballard and AD hits big I admit to myself I fucked up and then I try to figure out why I screwed up. This is all conjecture anyway since AD hasn't hit big and I personally think Sauce is worth it if he stays a top 5 cb.

[Racehorse]

[QUOTE=Oldcolt;338735]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I think they have shown growth in not keeping mistakes like they did early on. If you make a mistake, get something for the mistake if you can.[/QUOTE

Thanks. This makes sense to me. You see progress, which means to me you thought it was needed. If I am Ballard and AD hits big I admit to myself I fucked up and then I try to figure out why I screwed up. This is all conjecture anyway since AD hasn't hit big and I personally think Sauce is worth it if he stays a top 5 cb.

I think first time coaches and GMs all have areas they need to grow into. This is why I think firing Shane is a bad idea. He is green as a HC, and will get better.