Colts name Daniel Jones the QB1

[CletusPyle]

After hearing the media slobber all over Jaxson Dart and hearing and reading some of the comments from the Giants fans I have to believe that nobody is more motivated to prove all the critics wrong than Daniel Jones....and I would love to see him show these experts that he was not the main problem the Giants had the past few years.

[Colts And Orioles]

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I really want this to happen.

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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If that's the case, we can hope that Daniel Jones takes a page out of Jim Plunkett's career resurgence when he was playing for the Oakland Raiders in his mid-to-late 30's ....... play within himself, don't throw very many deep bombs, and trust his receivers with soft-and-accurate throws.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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From 1971 through 1977, Plunkett's numbers with the Patriots and the 49ers were.


84 lllll. TD

117 lll. INT

49.3 ll, COMP %



From 1980 through 1981, Plunkett's numbers with the Oakland Raiders were.


22 llll.. TD

25 lll... INT

51.9 ll, COMP %



From 1982 through 1986, Plunkett's numbers with the Los Angeles Raiders were.


57 llll.. TD

55 lll... INT

58.2 ll, COMP %

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[Colts And Orioles]

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Granted that Plunkett had one of the best offensive lines in the history of professional football protecting him in his first 3 seasons with the Raiders from 1980 through 1982 ...... plus, the teams that he was playing for with the Raiders from 1980 through 1986 were much better than were the teams that he played for in New England and San Francisco from 1971 through 1977 ...... but I can dream, can't I ???

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[Oldcolt]

Comparing Jones to Plunkett it a huge reach (and an insult to Plunkett). Plunkett was an accomplished QB in college, won the damn Heisman. Jones has accomplished zilch in his career. For him to turn into Plunkett would be a miracle. Love your optimism and I get you are just dreaming but won't happen.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Love your optimism, and I get that you are just dreaming, but it won't happen.

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I don't think it will happen, either. Like I said, I'm dreaming of the absolute best-case scenario ...... and if by some infinitesimal chance IT DOES happen, I can call dibs.

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Comparing Jones to Plunkett it a huge reach (and an insult to Plunkett.)

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I'm comparing their failures in the first 6 to 7 years of their careers, not the resurgence/rebirth of Plunkett's career after that ...... that part is the proverbial dream, not the comparison. My comparison is actually Plunkett-to-Plunkett, not Plunkett-to-Jones ...... that's why I posted Plunkett's stats in New England and San Francisco, and then showed the contrast of those stats compared to the ones that he had in Oakland/LA.

And actually, I think that Jim Plunkett wouldn't feel insulted at all if he saw my post ...... I think that he'd be flattered that decades after his career ended people are still thinking of him, and pointing out how well the second half of his career went compared to how to the first half of his career went ...... "Can so-and-so (insert your QB of choice) become the next Jim Plunkett, and turn around an otherwise mediocre career after multiple years of relative futility ???" ...... I don't think that that is insulting at all.

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[ChoppedWood]

I heard a stat that DJ has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

If that is true, then the issue comes down to his unwillingness to throw the high risk, high reward, ball. I do recall a couple years ago someone doing a breakdown of his not being willing to do it. I think it might have been Orlovsky? This was taking place in that period where it looked certain Dabol was gonna get canned because of how putrid the Giants O was. The breakdown showed him throwing underneath when there were openings in the mid layer but he wouldn't throw it, and the thing being point out was his completion % was a mirage, that his conservatism was hurting the offense.

Steichen, since he has been here, has definitely gone hard after the chunk plays. Much of that may be a result of AR actually having that as perhaps his only positive in the passing game.

It is going to be really curious to see how Steichen adjusts to a QB that can hit the layups, but has no outside game.

After this pre-season, and in particular Leonard yesterday (yeah I get it was scrub city but that threaded rope to Treadwell was a legit NFL strike...), I do not have any idea why you would not move AR and end all the noise right now heading into the season. Just get a 4th or 5th and be done with it.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I heard a stat that DJ has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

If that is true, then the issue comes down to his unwillingness to throw the high risk, high reward, ball. I do recall a couple years ago someone doing a breakdown of his not being willing to do it. I think it might have been Orlovsky? This was taking place in that period where it looked certain Dabol was gonna get canned because of how putrid the Giants O was. The breakdown showed him throwing underneath when there were openings in the mid layer but he wouldn't throw it, and the thing being point out was his completion % was a mirage, that his conservatism was hurting the offense.

Steichen, since he has been here, has definitely gone hard after the chunk plays. Much of that may be a result of AR actually having that as perhaps his only positive in the passing game.

It is going to be really curious to see how Steichen adjusts to a QB that can hit the layups, but has no outside game.

After this pre-season, and in particular Leonard yesterday (yeah I get it was scrub city but that threaded rope to Treadwell was a legit NFL strike...), I do not have any idea why you would not move AR and end all the noise right now heading into the season. Just get a 4th or 5th and be done with it.

Even Minshew threw the ball deep on occasion under Steichen. If Jones doesn't produce the intermediate to chunk plays, then we know the problem is in Jones head, because he certainly has better arm strength than Minshew.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I heard a stat that DJ has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

If that is true, then the issue comes down to his unwillingness to throw the high risk, high reward, ball. I do recall a couple years ago someone doing a breakdown of his not being willing to do it. I think it might have been Orlovsky? This was taking place in that period where it looked certain Dabol was gonna get canned because of how putrid the Giants O was. The breakdown showed him throwing underneath when there were openings in the mid layer but he wouldn't throw it, and the thing being point out was his completion % was a mirage, that his conservatism was hurting the offense.

That's definitely a big concern w/ Jones, and it's not just the high risk/reward throws. At least towards the end of his time w/ NYG he was refusing to throw anything other than checkdowns. I forgot who they were playing, but I had on a Sun/Mon night game last year w/ NYG playing. The broadcast kept showing time after time that there were open receivers 10-20 yards downfield w/ Jones having plenty of time to throw the ball, but he kept ignoring that and just throwing checkdowns to his RB. Even on 3rd and longs where completing a pass to one of said open receivers was needed for a first down. Hopefully after working w/ O'Connell and Steichen this has been corrected, but I obviously have my doubts.

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I heard a stat that DJ has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

If that is true, then the issue comes down to his unwillingness to throw the high risk, high reward, ball. I do recall a couple years ago someone doing a breakdown of his not being willing to do it. I think it might have been Orlovsky? This was taking place in that period where it looked certain Dabol was gonna get canned because of how putrid the Giants O was. The breakdown showed him throwing underneath when there were openings in the mid layer but he wouldn't throw it, and the thing being point out was his completion % was a mirage, that his conservatism was hurting the offense.

Steichen, since he has been here, has definitely gone hard after the chunk plays. Much of that may be a result of AR actually having that as perhaps his only positive in the passing game.

It is going to be really curious to see how Steichen adjusts to a QB that can hit the layups, but has no outside game.

After this pre-season, and in particular Leonard yesterday (yeah I get it was scrub city but that threaded rope to Treadwell was a legit NFL strike...), I do not have any idea why you would not move AR and end all the noise right now heading into the season. Just get a 4th or 5th and be done with it.

Just exactly do you think the Colts could get for AR at this time? No team would give up 4th or 5th. Do you really think that getting a 6th or 7th round in next year's draft will even make the team?