Seems it is gonna be D Jones

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by Kray007

Personally, I think that there’s a lot to like about the signing.

His biggest problem in New York was that he had two General Managers who seem/seemed totally indifferent to the need to build a solid Offensive Line. All too often, his pocket simply collapsed, and two or three pass rushers would converge on him before he had a chance to set up.

Secondly, he had a corps of receivers that could only generously be described as nondescript, a group that was chronically prone to injury and resulted in a situation in which Jones was sometimes throwing to receivers on Sunday who had been brought in off the street on Tuesday.

Third, as Giants owner John Mara mused, the Giants never did a good job of supporting Jones. He saw 3 coaching changes, going from Shurmer, who was fired after Jones rookie season, to Joe Judge who lasted two years, to Brian Daboll, who would have been fired save for the fact that Mara is worried about instability.

What Jones brings to the table is a strong arm, good accuracy, and mobility. If anything happens to Richardson, Jones can step in and you don’t have to shuffle the playbook and change the scheme.

If there’s a danger, it lies in questions about what’s going on between the young man’s ears.

Has he been irretrievably traumatized by his experience with the Giants? Does he hear footsteps where none exist?

Have 5 years of incessant carping from his coaches about interceptions and ball security made him too gun shy and risk averse? Have they weaned him of the gunslinger mentality that was a strength early in his career?

Is he the perfect plan B? I don’t know. What I do know is that you couldn’t put all your eggs in Anthony Richardson’s basket. Even if he irons out his mechanics and becomes the next Josh Allen, legitimate questions linger about his durability. Jones is a Quarterback who is capable of Carrying his team into the playoffs. He did it with the Giants, and if you give him enough support, he can do it in Indy.

Finally a voice of reason, who doesn't just look at stats and determine that Jones is just garbage.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

The only good thing you can say about Jones is that he’s better than Minshew.

Actually he's not. Jones is better runner, but Minshew is a better passer. Here's their career averages prorated to 17 games:

Jones: 64%, 3,541 yds, 17 TDs, 11 Ints, 6.5 Y/A, 529 ruyds, 4 TDs, 12 fmbls
Minshew: 63%, 3,443 yds, 20 TDs, 10 Ints, 6.9 Y/A, 196 ruyds, 1 TD, 10 fmbls

Also, I didn't say I would take Minshew over Jones straight up. That's at least debatable. I said that I would take Minshew +~$10M in cap space over Jones, which IMO isn't.

No probably about it.

If Jones beats out AR then it won't take long for Jones to be benched for AR. Afterall Jones was benched for Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock.

Finally a voice of reason, who doesn't just look at stats and determine that Jones is just garbage.

It's not just Jones' shitty stats. It's that combined w/ guys like DeVito and Lock having outperformed him w/ the same talent around them.

If there’s a danger, it lies in questions about what’s going on between the young man’s ears.

Has he been irretrievably traumatized by his experience with the Giants? Does he hear footsteps where none exist?

Even if you support this move this still has to be a big concern. I didn't watch NYG play much this past season, but when I saw them play Jones was completely terrified of throwing the ball downfield. It was either a SNF or MNF game that really sticks out where the broadcast kept showing how his receivers were consistently open downfield and he had plenty of time to throw, but he would just dump the ball off in the flat on essentially every pass play.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Actually he's not. Jones is better runner, but Minshew is a better passer. Here's their career averages prorated to 17 games:

Jones: 64%, 3,541 yds, 17 TDs, 11 Ints, 6.5 Y/A, 529 ruyds, 4 TDs, 12 fmbls
Minshew: 63%, 3,443 yds, 20 TDs, 10 Ints, 6.9 Y/A, 196 ruyds, 1 TD, 10 fmbls

Also, I didn't say I would take Minshew over Jones straight up. That's at least debatable. I said that I would take Minshew +~$10M in cap space over Jones, which IMO isn't.



If Jones beats out AR then it won't take long for Jones to be benched for AR. Afterall Jones was benched for Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock.



It's not just Jones' shitty stats. It's that combined w/ guys like DeVito and Lock having outperformed him w/ the same talent around them.



Even if you support this move this still has to be a big concern. I didn't watch NYG play much this past season, but when I saw them play Jones was completely terrified of throwing the ball downfield. It was either a SNF or MNF game that really sticks out where the broadcast kept showing how his receivers were consistently open downfield and he had plenty of time to throw, but he would just dump the ball off in the flat on essentially every pass play.

Jones has similar passing stats and is a much better runner so yeah, he’s better than Minshew. Also has a much better arm.

I don’t really care about the cap space. It’s not like we’d use it to sign some all world player.

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Actually he's not. Jones is better runner, but Minshew is a better passer. Here's their career averages prorated to 17 games:

Jones: 64%, 3,541 yds, 17 TDs, 11 Ints, 6.5 Y/A, 529 ruyds, 4 TDs, 12 fmbls
Minshew: 63%, 3,443 yds, 20 TDs, 10 Ints, 6.9 Y/A, 196 ruyds, 1 TD, 10 fmbls

Also, I didn't say I would take Minshew over Jones straight up. That's at least debatable. I said that I would take Minshew +~$10M in cap space over Jones, which IMO isn't.



If Jones beats out AR then it won't take long for Jones to be benched for AR. Afterall Jones was benched for Tommy DeVito and Drew Lock.



It's not just Jones' shitty stats. It's that combined w/ guys like DeVito and Lock having outperformed him w/ the same talent around them.



Even if you support this move this still has to be a big concern. I didn't watch NYG play much this past season, but when I saw them play Jones was completely terrified of throwing the ball downfield. It was either a SNF or MNF game that really sticks out where the broadcast kept showing how his receivers were consistently open downfield and he had plenty of time to throw, but he would just dump the ball off in the flat on essentially every pass play.

He wasn’t benched by the Giants because they thought that Lock or DeVito gave them a better chance to win. They pulled the plug on him because his 2025 salary of $25 Million was fully guaranteed for injury.

Beyond that, even though no one in the Giants organization would admit it, the move to bench Jones had more than a whiff of tanking.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Just saw a report we are finalizing a deal with Daniel Jones.

There was a brief stretch there when he actually played pretty well, I remember thinking that this guy is a lot better than I thought. I've also seen him play like crap, but the Giants are known to do that to players!

I hope AR is working his ass off!

[ukcolt]

AR needs to be the model pro this off season and turn up ready to go and lead this team. I fear though that he is just not a natural born leader, he is still very young.

In terms of leadership, it will be interesting to see just what Bortolini and Goncalves bring, as Kelly was a leader, and I am concerned that the unseen skills that he has might be missed more than just his on field production.

Nelson leads by example, but I don't get the impression that he is a natural communicator or someone who rallies the troops, same with Braden Smith.

[sherck]

So, a starting O-line of:

Raiman - Nelson - Bortolini - Goncalves - Smith

Primary backups of:

French
Pinter
Freeland

Other backups of:
Sills
Mafi
Tucker

Honestly, add at least one 2025 draft pick in the top 4 rounds to that group that has experience at both OG and OT and I am not displeased with that group at all.

Yeah, it is a lot to ask of two 2nd year players to start side-by-side but they have good help outside of them (Nelson and Smith) and I think a good O-Line coaching staff.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by sherck

So, a starting O-line of:

Raiman - Nelson - Bortolini - Goncalves - Smith

Primary backups of:

French
Pinter
Freeland

Other backups of:
Sills
Mafi
Tucker

Honestly, add at least one 2025 draft pick in the top 4 rounds to that group that has experience at both OG and OT and I am not displeased with that group at all.

Yeah, it is a lot to ask of two 2nd year players to start side-by-side but they have good help outside of them (Nelson and Smith) and I think a good O-Line coaching staff.

I think we definitely need at least some OG depth, which could come from the draft as long as he is able to step in and play and isn't a project.

[YDFL Commish]

So, the general sentiment is that a player can't turn his career around in a new environment, with less pressure, better coaching, better supporting cast and a team that believes in him?

Tell that to Sam Darnold, Geno Smith and Baker Mayfield.

[sherck]

This article at NFL.com ranks DJ as the #11 QB for the season thus far and in their "Tier 2" of QBs: Link Here.

Tier 1 = Stafford, Mahomes, Mayfield, Maye, Allen, Darnold.

Tier 2 = Lamar Jackson, Herbert, Goff, Hurts, DJ.

Tier 3 = Prescott, Love, Caleb Williams, Dart, Flacco, Mac Jones, Rodgers, Brissett, Tagovailoa.

Tier 4 = Lawrence, Mills, Mariota, Shough (who?), Nix, McCarthy.

Sounds about right. DJ is somewhere in the 8-12 range for performance this season for his play on the field. Is he around that for his career? Heck, no. But this season? He is not elite but he has not sucked either at all.

Heck, both our losses were 7 point affairs where he did not play his best but both were winnable. Of course, without JT heroics in Berlin, that game was lossable as well so....

Just more data to add to the swirl of, "Is Daniel Jones worth signing to a contract?"