2017 Draft Thread

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

The more concerning this for me when I watch any film on Barnett is his lack of rush moves. The guy is a one-trick pony right now. Unless he gets coached up (which I don't trust from this staff), teams will be able to scheme him out pretty easily.

That's why I'm much higher on Reddick and Harris. Both have eyes for the football and multiple pass rush moves.

I agree. I was solidly in the Barnett camp until I watched some tape on Harris. He has decent spin move, a good rip move and uses the bull rush at times.

[Wyatt]

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[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

I agree. I was solidly in the Barnett camp until I watched some tape on Harris. He has decent spin move, a good rip move and uses the bull rush at times.

Yep, and watch his eyes when he rushes the passer. He does a great job identifying where the QB is going to move in the pocket and then using whatever move will help him get there.

[natagu23]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

Derek Barnett runs an unofficial 4.89 40 time at his Pro Day.

He supposedly has a strained hamstring right now and is "toughing it out", but that's a pretty bad time and a pretty common excuse and mounts concerns upon a guy whose biggest concern is his conditioning.

I'm still not opposed to bringing in a guy that's been that productive at rushing the passer in the SEC and I'd be hard-pressed to pass on him in the 1st round, but more and more, I like the idea of going ILB in the 1st round (Foster/Davis/Cunningham/Reddick) and then edge rusher in the 2nd (Barnett/Williams/Lawson/Harris).

That seems feasible to me, I think.

The 40 time doesnt really concern me as long as its not 5.0 or >.

Barnett's lack of explosiveness is more of a concern.

You can lack speed, but you have to be able to fire off the ball and have a good first step.

He strikes me as a low ceiling, decent floor kinda guy who could potentially flop under poor coaching, and guess what we have plenty of?

[natagu23]

In contrast to Barnett, Hasson Reddick is one more explosive players in the draft.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Coltsalr

Derek Barnett runs an unofficial 4.89 40 time at his Pro Day.

He supposedly has a strained hamstring right now and is "toughing it out", but that's a pretty bad time and a pretty common excuse and mounts concerns upon a guy whose biggest concern is his conditioning.

I'm still not opposed to bringing in a guy that's been that productive at rushing the passer in the SEC and I'd be hard-pressed to pass on him in the 1st round, but more and more, I like the idea of going ILB in the 1st round (Foster/Davis/Cunningham/Reddick) and then edge rusher in the 2nd (Barnett/Williams/Lawson/Harris).

That seems feasible to me, I think.

If the Colts take Reddick, it won't be to play ILB.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

If the Colts take Reddick, it won't be to play ILB.

100% agree with this. I think way too much is being made out of Reddick's size (237 lbs). Guys like Clay Matthews and Robert Mathis certainly proved to have great careers on the EDGE when "undersized."

I don't think he'll be there, though. I'd be shocked if he isn't in the top 10 after his last three months.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by VeveJones007

100% agree with this. I think way too much is being made out of Reddick's size (237 lbs). Guys like Clay Matthews and Robert Mathis certainly proved to have great careers on the EDGE when "undersized."

I don't think he'll be there, though. I'd be shocked if he isn't in the top 10 after his last three months.

Don't forget James Harrison.

[VeveJones007]

Originally Posted by sherck

5 round mock draft over on NFL.com by Chad Reuter

1-15 Haason Reddick - LB, Temple


I love the concept of using him all over the field sort of like the Texans do with J.J. Watt. ILB on run downs and hand in the dirt pass rusher from anywhere on passing downs.

2-14 Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC


Lack of talent at CB would allow him to take whichever position he can earn on the field (CB2 or Slot) and he could impact the return game in positive ways. Good pick.

3-16 D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas

Hate the pick. Not good in pass protection? Only had 7 pass receptions for the year? One trick pony which is NOT what the Colts offense needs. Don't mind picking a RB with the 3rd round pick if it is the RIGHT running back but I don't think Foreman is that guy.

4-15 John Johnson, S, Boston College

Love that he has experience playing FS and Nickel CB. Sounds like a young Darius Butler honestly. Mix and match where to play him based on package; young players with that type of versatility are worthwhile.

4-31 Sean Harlow, G, Oregon State

Not positive where he fits in the thinking of the guy making the draft. We already have A LOT of "acceptable" options at OG including Schwenke, Haeg, Good and Blythe. If we were going to add someone to the interior of the O-Line, we need a "GOOD" option and not another acceptable option. I guess he is thinking that any additional O-Lineman is an improvement but I would have rather seen this pick at TE than O-line to get just another body.

4-38 Deatrich Wise, DE, Arkansas

At the DE position, the Colts currently have Anderson, Langford, Ridgeway, Hunt and McGill. We have room for another young body whom can help close down run gaps and force an opposing offense into passing the ball.

5-14 Elijah Lee, OLB, Kansas State
No NFL.com Draft Profile to pull from. I pulled this from a pretty good video draft profile from a Washington Redskins fan (located here).

Sounds like a poor man's Hasson Reddick. Sounds like a kid whom you can get to play different assignments depending on how you need him (inside on run downs, pass rush on passing downs). Needs to bulk up without slowing down but could see a lot of snaps as a rookie on ST.


In the end, the Colts end up with 2 picks in the secondary, 2 picks at LB, a RB, an OG and a D-Lineman. I don't like the RB or OG picks but I like everyone else.

If Ballard ends up with this type of haul, I would not be disappointed.

Cheers,

Regarding Foreman, it depends on what Ballard envisions for the RB position moving forward. If they are sticking with a power scheme, Foreman is a solid pick--no player has ever run as fast as Foreman at his size in pre-draft work.

However, I agree that they need multi-dimensionality from the RB position. Get guys who are a threat out of the backfield and create matchup problems for opposing defenses.

[sherck]

PFF Ranked their "Top 100" Draft Prospects today (located here).

In the 1-15 range:
12. Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU
13. Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
14. Carl Lewson, OLB, Auburn
15. Solomon Thomas, 3-tech DT or 5-tech DE, Stanford
16. Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
17. O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
18. John Ross, WR, Washington

In the 2-14 range (#46 overall):
43. Caleb Brantley, 3-tech DT, Florida
44. Sidney Jones, CB, Washington
45. Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
46. Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M
47. Takkarist McKinley, OLB, UCLA
48. Quincy Jones, CB, Florida
49. Taylor Moton, OG/OT, Western Michigan

In the 3-16 range (#80 overall):
77. Tanzel Smart, 3-tech DT/5-tech DE, Tulane
78. Carolos Henderson, WR, Louisina Tech
79. Delano Hill, S, Michigan
80. Ryan Anderson, OLB, Alabama
81. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
82. Budda Baker, S, Washington
83. Tanoh Kpassagnon, 3-tech DT/5-tech DE, Villanova

Not that it will work out this way, but give me D-Line Solomon Thomas in the 1st round, CB Sidney Jones in the 2nd round and OLB Ryan Anderson in the 3rd round and I would be thrilled.

Add CB, TE and RB in the 4th round and a NT in the 5th round and call it a draft.

I know that where folks are actually drafted will almost always be very different than were every pundit in the world puts them but that is why mock drafting is SO much fun!

Cheers,