Panthers trade up to #1

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

To be fair, Dam didn't bring Hooker's high school and college stats into the conversation, Jersey did.

I was at Texas Tech the same years Graham Harrell was and I've seen a ton of Mike Leach football. All of those Air Raid QBs had great numbers and none of them made it in the NFL.

Vince Young threw for 65% his senior year and was a career 57% in the NFL. Everyone could see he couldn't throw.

Don't bring logic into the conversation. College stats are unimpeachable determining factors of NFL success.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by njcoltfan

And all those passes he threw without the other team catching one, just unbelievably lucky.

Nothing shy of an honest to god miracle. Next to Trevor Lawrence, Hooker must be the luckiest person on the planet.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

Man, I hope there is not some kind of mechanism in your home that measures narcissism, it would peg in the red.

No doubt. I'd hate to see how he reacts to something that actually matters not going his way since he can't even admit when he's wrong about meaningless armchair GMing.

[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

It's narcissistic to believe that a 25 year old college QB with good stats and bad tape doesn't have as good of a chance to succeed as a 22 year old college QB with good stats and good tape? Interesting.

No, you are the narcissist. Everything revolves around you being right. God forbid you're wrong, psst, you are, a lot!

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

To be fair, Dam didn't bring Hooker's high school and college stats into the conversation, Jersey did.

I was at Texas Tech the same years Graham Harrell was and I've seen a ton of Mike Leach football. All of those Air Raid QBs had great numbers and none of them made it in the NFL.

Vince Young threw for 65% his senior year and was a career 57% in the NFL. Everyone could see he couldn't throw.

I don’t disagree but using that as proof that he can’t make it in the NFL and that he has accuracy issues is just not accurate. It’s why I brought up Mahomes, who played in a similar offense and who is the best in the league now.

The nfl is moving more and more toward that style of offense. It stands to reason that more and more of these guys will succeed in the league going forward.

At the end of the day, none of us know. Not even Dam. Saying drafting Hooker is a wasted pick is silly, especially coming from someone who has been wrong as often as Dam.

[apballin]

Well your gonna love this Dam, JMV just said he’s hearing they really like Levi’s

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by apballin

Well your gonna love this Dam, JMV just said he’s hearing they really like Levi’s

Oh no! We're super fucked now!! I mean our previous coaching staff couldn't fix Wentz's issues so there's no way the new coaching staff will be able to fix Levis'

[YDFL Commish]

I am not going to sit here and say Levis can't be fixed. For evidence, we have Brett Favre, Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts.

Shit, I don't care which one of these guys they draft as long as they get it right and don't motrgage the farm to do it.

I just watched some really good tape on Levis vs Ole Miss. He was playing with multiple injuries and still taking hits to deliver throws and running the ball.

I've watched Hooker and Young and Stroud. One thing that definitely stood out to me is that Stroud and Young rarely faced adversity or had to make off platform throws.

I've seen good stuff on all of these QB's. They are all talented. But which one will run the fucking team!

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

To be fair, Dam didn't bring Hooker's high school and college stats into the conversation, Jersey did.

I was at Texas Tech the same years Graham Harrell was and I've seen a ton of Mike Leach football. All of those Air Raid QBs had great numbers and none of them made it in the NFL.

Vince Young threw for 65% his senior year and was a career 57% in the NFL. Everyone could see he couldn't throw.

I only brought up Hooker because I was tired of reading that Stroud was the ONLY one that had a good college career! IMHO Hooker had a real good college too, hell there were six QB's drafted before Brady and one was Giovanni Carmazzi, so even the experts, the ones that get paid big bucks to get it right, don't! Dam might be right, hell I don't, it's his opinion and you know what they say about opinions...................................

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

No doubt. I'd hate to see how he reacts to something that actually matters not going his way since he can't even admit when he's wrong about meaningless armchair GMing.

What exactly would I have to "admit I'm wrong about" regarding which QBs from the 2023 draft will be successful?

Originally Posted by Lov2fish

No, you are the narcissist. Everything revolves around you being right. God forbid you're wrong, psst, you are, a lot!

Psst, anyone who has opinions on these things is wrong a lot. Elite GMs are right about 50% of the time. I'm not going to argue that I'm wrong, though, that's counterproductive. I wouldn't expect anyone to do that. The whole point of a message board is the discussion. That's what makes it interesting. Everyone sitting around agreeing would be pretty boring.

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

I don’t disagree but using that as proof that he can’t make it in the NFL and that he has accuracy issues is just not accurate. It’s why I brought up Mahomes, who played in a similar offense and who is the best in the league now.

The nfl is moving more and more toward that style of offense. It stands to reason that more and more of these guys will succeed in the league going forward.

At the end of the day, none of us know. Not even Dam. Saying drafting Hooker is a wasted pick is silly, especially coming from someone who has been wrong as often as Dam.

Why is it silly? I believe that. Of course I could be wrong, anyone can be. Pretty much everyone was wrong about Brock Purdy. I wish I'd said more about him, because he always stood out to me when watching Breece Hall, one of the many reasons I go with the consensus less and less as time goes on. But Brock Purdy is the exception. For every one of those there are 20 of Bailey Zappe, Anthony Gordon, Graham Harrell et al.

And when it comes to Air Raid QBs, Mahomes is 1000% the exception. Air Raid QBs outside of him have done nothing in the NFL.