Kiper says Colts and Dolphins are working on 1st round trade

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by njcoltfan

I certainly hope that this is Kiper BULLSHIT!! We need AT LEAST one difference maker from this draft, not just starters. Moving down again lessens that from happening.

I think Ballard’s insistance on building almost exclusively thru the draft means he almost has to take a volume approach. There are simply way to many holes to fill using the standard 7 pics. Right now he has to sacrifice quality for quantity. I don’t agree with it, but I will not at all be surprised by it.

[Chaka]

Did anyone hear this first hand? Anyone heard of this "Jacob Michaels" who left the original post?

I'm fairly suspicious of this info for a few reasons: (1) I think anyone trading up from 11 to get a QB will need to be prepared to pay a lot to do so - something like two 1sts and some change, and (2) even if the Dolphins were interested in making such a move, why would they be doing it now - long before the draft and with the potential to be left with egg on their face if none of the top QBs (much less Mayfield specifically) aren't available at 6? They'd be setting themselves up for disaster. Any number of teams could try to trade up to a higher slot and snatch the players away, leaving the Dolphins GM to look like an idiot.

If anything like this went down, I'd expect it to happen only after the dust has settled and the Colts are on the clock. If the trade went down now, the Colts would presumably have to accept less because they'd be trading a pick which won't guarantee Miami the player they supposedly want (Mayfield) and maybe no QB at all. This would also tell me that Ballard REALLY isn't enamored with any of the players at the top of this draft.

[ZiaColt]

the Buffalo trade always seemed to me more likely to happen with the Giants--if I'm the Bills GM and I'm giving away #12 and #22, I'm a lot more inclined to do it for #2 than for #6

one "equal value" trade with the Dolphins could be #6, #67 and #104 for #11, #42 and #73. That would likely leave the Colts still having a shot at one of the 7 best non-QBs in the draft, and moving from #67 and #104 up to #42 and #73.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by ZiaColt

the Buffalo trade always seemed to me more likely to happen with the Giants--if I'm the Bills GM and I'm giving away #12 and #22, I'm a lot more inclined to do it for #2 than for #6

one "equal value" trade with the Dolphins could be #6, #67 and #104 for #11, #42 and #73. That would likely leave the Colts still having a shot at one of the 7 best non-QBs in the draft, and moving from #67 and #104 up to #42 and #73.

I’d guess Ballard wants additional picks more than he wants to improve the quality of his existing pics. Moving pics from rounds 5, 6, and 7 up into rounds 2, 3, and maybe 4 might work. But I think his goal is to get as many chances as he can in rounds 1, 2, and 3 where you have a better chance of acquiring starter level talent.

[YDFL Commish]

I call bullshit, on this rumor.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

I call bullshit, on this rumor.

That shithead Florioisadick at PFT has not mentioned anything all day about this reported trade rumor, so I agree with you...... BULLSHIT!!

[ZiaColt]

Originally Posted by rm1369

I’d guess Ballard wants additional picks more than he wants to improve the quality of his existing pics. Moving pics from rounds 5, 6, and 7 up into rounds 2, 3, and maybe 4 might work. But I think his goal is to get as many chances as he can in rounds 1, 2, and 3 where you have a better chance of acquiring starter level talent.

no doubt, but I'm not sure where those additional picks in the higher rounds would come from, especially in a trade with Miami. Maybe 2019 picks, but I'm not a big fan of future picks. The trade I listed at least allows Ballard to move from 3rd (#67) to 2nd (#42) and from 4th (#104) to 3rd (#73). And someone like Smith, Edmunds or Fitzpatrick should still be there at #11.

If, and only if, Chubb is already gone at #6, I'd think about making that kind of trade if it were offered (rather than using the pick on Nelson). If Barkley's still there at #6, my fear is that the owner will "overrule" the GM and use the pick rather than trading it.

[Maniac]

There is absolutely no way the Colts would do that deal and not get the #11 pick from them.

[ZiaColt]

Originally Posted by JesusChrist

There is absolutely no way the Colts would do that deal and not get the #11 pick from them.

the trade I listed? They do, that's one of the major points of it. Colts send #6 to Miami for #11, but also move up from #67 to #42 and from #104 to #73. They still get an impact player at #11 (Smith, James, Fitzpatrick, maybe Edmunds if the 49ers don't take him) and they increase their chances of finding major contributors, if not starters, in Rounds 2 and 3 with #36, #37, #42, #49 and #73.

But the whole trade would hinge on 1) Chubb already being gone, 2) a QB still being available, and 3) Miami being convinced he could be their eventual QB.

I'm not sold on Mayfield or Allen myself, but I may be in the minority at this point.

[Spike]

Originally Posted by JesusChrist

There is absolutely no way the Colts would do that deal and not get the #11 pick from them.

I totally agree. This is one reason I think this report is total bullshit.