Tagging Jones and signing Pierce

[Oldcolt]

Agreed. I just don't think it is a compliment to say he is better than 12 out of 32 general managers in the NFL. To me you made my point

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

Agreed. I just don't think it is a compliment to say he is better than 12 out of 32 general managers in the NFL. To me you made my point

A dozen GM’s already have their guy. Brett Veach, in KC doesn’t need a Quarterback. Twenty would love to have Jones, but most don’t have the cap space to pursue. They’re stuck in Quarterback purgatory, shuffling from Kyler Murray to Tua Tagavailoa to Joe Flacco.

Just how good Ballard is is a question that’ll play out over the next few seasons. He finally has a Quarterback, and the test will be how well he juggles the cap and adds enough talent to propel the team into legit Super Bowl contention.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Kray007

A dozen GM’s already have their guy. Brett Veach, in KC doesn’t need a Quarterback. Twenty would love to have Jones, but most don’t have the cap space to pursue. They’re stuck in Quarterback purgatory, shuffling from Kyler Murray to Tua Tagavailoa to Joe Flacco.

Just how good Ballard is is a question that’ll play out over the next few seasons. He finally has a Quarterback, and the test will be how well he juggles the cap and adds enough talent to propel the team into legit Super Bowl contention.

Man, can we move the goal posts any further for this guy? Plenty of GMs have QB issues. Ballard was screwed by thinking he had a HOF caliber QB on the roster, but after a season or two he’s been in no different position than the majority of GMs. It’s his philosophy that has put the team in the position it’s been in. Nothing else. Both teams in the SB went from HOF QBs to no QB to the SB in less time that Ballard has had. So what we start the clock for Ballard now to determine if he’s good? For him and him only nearly a decade of mediocrity means nothing? I swear the man is teflon. I can’t wait to hear next year’s excuses.

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by rm1369

Man, can we move the goal posts any further for this guy? Plenty of GMs have QB issues. Ballard was screwed by thinking he had a HOF caliber QB on the roster, but after a season or two he’s been in no different position than the majority of GMs. It’s his philosophy that has put the team in the position it’s been in. Nothing else. Both teams in the SB went from HOF QBs to no QB to the SB in less time that Ballard has had. So what we start the clock for Ballard now to determine if he’s good? For him and him only nearly a decade of mediocrity means nothing? I swear the man is teflon. I can’t wait to hear next year’s excuses.

I don’t have to move the goalposts any farther than the 8-2 record the day Jones got hurt. Ballard assembled a team that was loaded with talent but couldn’t overcome a double barreled disaster at Quarterback.

Philosophy has nothing to do with his inability to find an upper echelon Quarterback. Most successful GM’s stumble onto one, then get labeled a genius because luck gobsmacked them in the face like a lemon meringue pie in a Three Stooges short.

If Andrew Luck hadn’t retired or if Patrick Mahomes had been taking snaps from Ryan Kelly, there would be a couple more shiny Lombardi Trophies on the team’s mantlepiece. Instead, we’ve been in a position where we’ve shuffled from one nonentity to another.

And, yeah, the Patsies and the Seahags rebounded from oblivion to glory. But, they didn’t do it with Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco at the helm. They didn’t do it starting their third string QB.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Kray007

I don’t have to move the goalposts any farther than the 8-2 record the day Jones got hurt. Ballard assembled a team that was loaded with talent but couldn’t overcome a double barreled disaster at Quarterback.

Philosophy has nothing to do with his inability to find an upper echelon Quarterback. Most successful GM’s stumble onto one, then get labeled a genius because luck gobsmacked them in the face like a lemon meringue pie in a Three Stooges short.

If Andrew Luck hadn’t retired or if Patrick Mahomes had been taking snaps from Ryan Kelly, there would be a couple more shiny Lombardi Trophies on the team’s mantlepiece. Instead, we’ve been in a position where we’ve shuffled from one nonentity to another.

And, yeah, the Patsies and the Seahags rebounded from oblivion to glory. But, they didn’t do it with Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco at the helm. They didn’t do it starting their third string QB.

The pinnacle of success after 9 years - a stretch going 8-2 yet still missing the playoffs. Maybe we should hang a banner. We’ll see what the new excuse is.

It’s funny how many other teams have found more success than Ballard’s teams. In your mind he has somehow, through no fault of his own, been unusually restricted at the QB position. While other teams are lucky, Ballard is skilled but ohh so unlucky. I’m very curious, since it wasn’t Ballards philosophy that led to Minschew, Flacco, Wentz, and Ryan, what is it that you think led to them being QBs for the Colts? I’ve said before if it’s all luck then why do you want such an unlucky GM controlling everything?

The Rams got pretty damn lucky too. And let’s add SF and TB to the list of teams successfully replacing QBs very recently. Hell for fun I’ll go through how many teams have made the playoffs after changing QBs since Lucks retirement. We already have two SB winners. Bet there have been quite a few playoff teams. All of them I’m sure got lucky or experienced some degree of difficulty beyond what Ballard has though. Right? Shit edited to add Denver. So all 4 teams in the conference finals this year have replaced QBs in less time than Ballard has had. And I’m sure you have an excuse for each one.

[Kray007]

Originally Posted by rm1369

The pinnacle of success after 9 years - a stretch going 8-2 yet still missing the playoffs. Maybe we should hang a banner. We’ll see what the new excuse is.

It’s funny how many other teams have found more success than Ballard’s teams. In your mind he has somehow, through no fault of his own, been unusually restricted at the QB position. While other teams are lucky, Ballard is skilled but ohh so unlucky. I’m very curious, since it wasn’t Ballards philosophy that led to Minschew, Flacco, Wentz, and Ryan, what is it that you think led to them being QBs for the Colts? I’ve said before if it’s all luck then why do you want such an unlucky GM controlling everything?

The Rams got pretty damn lucky too. And let’s add SF and TB to the list of teams successfully replacing QBs very recently. Hell for fun I’ll go through how many teams have made the playoffs after changing QBs since Lucks retirement. We already have two SB winners. Bet there have been quite a few playoff teams. All of them I’m sure got lucky or experienced some degree of difficulty beyond what Ballard has though. Right? Shit edited to add Denver. So all 4 teams in the conference finals this year have replaced QBs in less time than Ballard has had. And I’m sure you have an excuse for each one.

Yes, a few teams found a Quarterback then achieved greater success than the Colts. Cincinnati found Joe Burrow, Buffalo found Josh Allen, Chicago got Caleb Williams. But, I think you underestimate the years, the decades, of futility that preceded the moment they snagged their golden ticket..

Between the day that Jon Gruden hoisted the Lombardi Trophy untl Tom Brady brought them another, the Buccaneers had 5 winning seasons in 17 years. At Quarterback, they shuffled from Johnson to Simms, from Griese to Gradkowski, from Rattay to Garcia, McCown to Leftwich. From Freeman to Johnson to Glennon to Winston, and Fitzpatrick.

Same story in the bay area. In the 16 years before Jimmy Garaffolo came along, the 9’ers made the playoffs 3 times.

In the quarter century before Joe Burrow arrived in Cincinnati, they managed four division titles.

From 1996 until 2020, Buffalo was the poster child for futility.

Heck, any Colt fan should be able to attest to the difficulty of winning without a QB. Between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning yawned a gulf of frustration. I won’t provide a list, but names like Gary Hogeboom, Mike Pagel, and Marty Domres populate my nightmares.

The bottom line is that Quarterbacks, at least good ones, don’t grow on trees. Finding one is like fishing in a septic tank. 9 out of 10 times, you reel in a turd; but, every once in awhile, you cast your line and hook Tom Brady.

Chris Ballard and the Irsay sisters obviously thing that they pulled the handle on the slot machine and it turned up all cherries. If they did, then a decade of dappled sunlight and fields of wildflowers stretch before us. Summer in Westeros. But if they’re wrong, Chris Ballard will find himself in the midst of winter, on the wrong side of the wall, pursued by slavering white walkers.

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by Kray007

Yes, a few teams found a Quarterback then achieved greater success than the Colts. Cincinnati found Joe Burrow, Buffalo found Josh Allen, Chicago got Caleb Williams. But, I think you underestimate the years, the decades, of futility that preceded the moment they snagged their golden ticket..

Between the day that Jon Gruden hoisted the Lombardi Trophy untl Tom Brady brought them another, the Buccaneers had 5 winning seasons in 17 years. At Quarterback, they shuffled from Johnson to Simms, from Griese to Gradkowski, from Rattay to Garcia, McCown to Leftwich. From Freeman to Johnson to Glennon to Winston, and Fitzpatrick.

Same story in the bay area. In the 16 years before Jimmy Garaffolo came along, the 9’ers made the playoffs 3 times.

In the quarter century before Joe Burrow arrived in Cincinnati, they managed four division titles.

From 1996 until 2020, Buffalo was the poster child for futility.

Heck, any Colt fan should be able to attest to the difficulty of winning without a QB. Between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning yawned a gulf of frustration. I won’t provide a list, but names like Gary Hogeboom, Mike Pagel, and Marty Domres populate my nightmares.

The bottom line is that Quarterbacks, at least good ones, don’t grow on trees. Finding one is like fishing in a septic tank. 9 out of 10 times, you reel in a turd; but, every once in awhile, you cast your line and hook Tom Brady.

Chris Ballard and the Irsay sisters obviously thing that they pulled the handle on the slot machine and it turned up all cherries. If they did, then a decade of dappled sunlight and fields of wildflowers stretch before us. Summer in Westeros. But if they’re wrong, Chris Ballard will find himself in the midst of winter, on the wrong side of the wall, pursued by slavering white walkers.

Apparently the key to being a GM is simply blind luck at QB? Can’t find a QB, you are not bad, just unlucky. Find a QB and you aren’t good, you are just lucky. The rest of the roster is irrelevant until you get lucky and find a QB. I’m curious why Ballard would be fired if DJ isn’t the QB they think. Isn’t that just him being unlucky? Again. Is DE similar? And was Ballard a genius for drafting Raimann or was that just luck? Over the years I’ve learned that for any bad decision Ballard makes it’s bad luck or someone else’s fault. And any good decision is an example of his genius.

To be serious here, I’m well aware of the worst case scenarios and teams that have struggled to find QBs over long stretches. I remember Gary Hogeboom, Mike Pagel, Chris Chandler, Jack Trudeau. And I’ll also tell you, those were mostly poorly ran teams besides lacking at QB. And that’s true of many of the other teams. Those that weren’t poorly ran put together short peaks. Like a Rex Grossman getting to the SB. Or the 49ers three playoff appearances you gloss over - 2 NFC finals losses and a SB loss, with two different QBs (Smith and Kapernick). Ballard has been in the worst division in football and hasn’t won it. And he hasn’t been facing Mahomes, Allen, or Lamar in the division either. He can’t beat the Titans, Texans, and Jaguars. Actually well ran franchises perform better than the Colts have in Ballard’s tenure - even without the super star QB.

I’m not disregarding how difficult it can be to find a competent QB. I’m not someone who believes Ballard sucks because he didn’t find the next Josh Allen in two seasons. I am saying that his overall philosophy sucks and leads to what we have seen. Both his philosophy for finding a QB and for building the roster. I can see why you agree with his philosophy though - it matches what you apparently believe about the position, that it’s nothing but luck. No need to identify and go get your guy (like a Stafford), just churn through enough guys until you get lucky and one sticks. I hope DJ is the guy. I’m admittedly skeptical. Just remember if he is that it’s just Ballard getting lucky, nothing more.

[sherck]

Originally Posted by Kray007

Summer in Westeros. But if they’re wrong, Chris Ballard will find himself in the midst of winter, on the wrong side of the wall, pursued by slavering white walkers.

Colts + ASoIaF = Win!

[BCN#1]

Originally Posted by Kray007

Heck, any Colt fan should be able to attest to the difficulty of winning without a QB. Between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning yawned a gulf of frustration. I won’t provide a list, but names like Gary Hogeboom, Mike Pagel, and Marty Domres populate my nightmares.

My favorite nightmare was Curtis Painter coached by catfish Caldwell and under that idiot Grigson. Enough to make a person wanna cut their wrists!!!

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Kray007

Heck, any Colt fan should be able to attest to the difficulty of winning without a QB. Between Bert Jones and Peyton Manning yawned a gulf of frustration. I won’t provide a list, but names like Gary Hogeboom, Mike Pagel, and Marty Domres populate my nightmares.

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Captain Comeback wasn't too shabby.

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