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[Oldcolt]

1988 We trade 2 first round draft picks for Fredd Young. Who you ask? Exactly

For those of you who are salivating over Burrow, it is being reported at Bleacher Report that in 2020 Miami offered 4 first round picks for Burrow which included the number 5 pick. The Bengals wouln't even listen. We were never going to get this guy even with those two picks Sauce cost us.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

1988 We trade 2 first round draft picks for Fredd Young. Who you ask? Exactly

I was logging on to bring this trade up, which IMO is the worst (at least Indy) Colts trade in history.

In a vacuum the Jeff George trade was probably worse, but since Tobin was somehow able to flip him for 2 1st rounders and a 3rd the Young trade IMO is worse. Tobin pretty much thew away the '94 1st and 3rd rounders on Trev Alberts, but obviously made the most out of the '96 1st by drafting Marvin.

I also think the Craig Erickson trade was worse than the Trent Richardson trade. Arguably the Wentz trade was as well even though Ballard was able to recoup some of the draft capital he gave up to get Wentz.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

For those of you who are salivating over Burrow, it is being reported at Bleacher Report that in 2020 Miami offered 4 first round picks for Burrow which included the number 5 pick. The Bengals wouln't even listen. We were never going to get this guy even with those two picks Sauce cost us.

Yeah, the only way the Bungles will let go of Burrow is if he does like Carson Palmer by demanding a trade and then sitting out until the Bungles give in. Doesn't seem like he's there yet, but if '26 ends up being like these last couple have been then he might get there.

[Oldcolt]

As an aside that 1988 trade was made by none other than Jim Irsay in his stint aa owner/gm. Man those were depressing times.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

As an aside that 1988 trade was made by none other than Jim Irsay in his stint aa owner/gm. Man those were depressing times.

Actually Jim was just the GM at the time. He didn't inherent ownership of the team until his dad Robert passed away in Jan. 1997, which was when Tobin was in charge. Of course Jim upgraded the GM position to Polian as soon as he could, and the rest is history.

In October of 1987, Jim Irsay pulled off a blockbuster trade for Eric Dickerson to immediately give the franchise respectability, and a much-needed shot in the arm......with the best running back in the game on board, the Colts immediately won the AFC East in 1987 with a record of 9-6 (they only played 15 games that season), and followed that up with a winning season in 1988 (9-7), and a .500 season in 1989 (8-8.) At that time, the notion of the Indianapolis Colts having 3 consecutive non-losing seasons was unheard of, as that had not happened since their days in Baltimore from 1975 through 1977.

After bottoming out in 1991 with a record of 1-15 after Dickerson was passed his prime, the Colts attained a similar 3-year run of respectability when Jim Harbaugh came on board as the starting quarterback ....... they went 8-8 in 1994, 9-7 in 1995, and 9-7 in 1996 while twice qualifying for the playoffs as a Wildcard.

Yes, Irsay made a couple of decent moves that brought the Colts up to respectable from the cellar, which included the Dickerson trade. But then the Young and George trades pretty much drove the Colts back to being a laughingstock.

Credit for the '94-'96 teams goes to Tobin as he was hired as the GM in '94 and brought in/drafted Harbaugh, Faulk, Bennett, etc.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

Actually Jim was just the GM at the time. He didn't inherent ownership of the team until his dad Robert passed away in Jan. 1997, which was when Tobin was in charge. Of course Jim upgraded the GM position to Polian as soon as he could, and the rest is history.



Yes, Irsay made a couple of decent moves that brought the Colts up to respectable from the cellar, which included the Dickerson trade. But then the Young and George trades pretty much drove the Colts back to being a laughingstock.

Credit for the '94-'96 teams goes to Tobin as he was hired as the GM in '94 and brought in/drafted Harbaugh, Faulk, Bennett, etc.

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Jim succeeded in making the Colts relevant/respectable again, and then failed. That's a lot better than what the franchise was before that, which was a state of constant failure for a decade.

Also, he was twice the owner than his father was, which enabled the Colts' ability to maintain success over an extended period of time in the Peyton Manning/Bill Polian era.

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[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Jim succeeded in making the Colts relevant/respectable again, and then failed. That's a lot better than what the franchise was before that, which was a state of constant failure for a decade.

Also, he was twice the owner than his father was, which enabled the Colts' ability to maintain success over an extended period of time in the Peyton Manning/Bill Polian era.

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No argument from me on Jim being a really good owner and certainly MUCH better than his father.

We may have to agree to disagree on how good of a GM he was.