The Daniel Jones effect is difficult to quantify

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Kray007

PFF, as is their wont, assigned him a passing grade for the game…66.5, which ranked him 19th among Quarterbacks after week 1. Digging into their mountain of stats, I discover that only 3.3 percent of his passes were considered big time throws. His expected completion percentage of 75.9% was exactly the same as his actual completion percentage, which means that nobody was dropping balls. Under pressure, he completed 4 of 5 passes. Against the blitz, that number dropped to 68 percent and change.

All of which leads me to the not unsurprising revelation that there’s more that goes into playing the position than anything you can glean from statistics.

Daniel Jones doesn’t bring elite traits to the table. He doesn’t have an arm that will wow you, he isn’t a riverboat gambler. There’s nothing flashy about his game, we’re never going to see a jaw dropping, Anthony Richardson moment when he spins away from pressure, stumbles, and launches a 65 yard TD strike to Alec Pierce.

What he brings to the table is reliability and an unsurpassed work ethic. He recognizes defenses, makes solid pre snap reads, and manages to exploit an opponent’s weaknesses. He keeps the chains moving and extends drives, milking every last play for maximum benefit. If the choice is between forcing the ball into tight coverage 40 yards downfield and settling for a 10 yard crossing play with an 80 percent chance of success, he opts for the easy 1st down. He’s accurate and throws a ball that’s easy to catch; everything isn’t a 98 mph fast ball.

In other words, he’s a pro; and, sometimes, that’s the difference between losing 17-10 and winning 33-8.

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(7 WEEKS LATER)


As a Colts fan, my 2 biggest fears are ......


1) l Daniel Jones getting injured.


2) l The Kansas City Chiefs.


In my rat's ass of an opinion, the Chiefs are the biggest obstacle to the Colts making a deep playoff run and/or the Colts advancing to the Super Bowl. Presuming that the Colts do make the playoffs, I hope that they would not have to play the Chiefs until the AFC Championship game (if at all.)

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[Oldcolt]

How in the hell isn't Daniel Jones elite? Name one thing, one, that an 'elite' QB can do that Jones doesn't do? He is the best QB on the best offense in a QB driven league. He makes every throw, read defenses as good as anyone, moves well in the pocket (doesn't get sacked) and is in complete sync with his head coach. He is the best QB in the league right now and only prejudices from asshole New York based writers keep people for admitting it. It won't change until Feb when he wins the next and his first Super Bowl

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

How in the hell isn't Daniel Jones elite? Name one thing, one, that an 'elite' QB can do that Jones doesn't do? He is the best QB on the best offense in a QB driven league. He makes every throw, read defenses as good as anyone, moves well in the pocket (doesn't get sacked) and is in complete sync with his head coach. He is the best QB in the league right now and only prejudices from asshole New York based writers keep people for admitting it. It won't change until Feb when he wins the next and his first Super Bowl

I don't think one half of one season with outstanding stats in your 7th year as a normally not so prolific QB qualifies as an elite QB. Don't get me wrong, he's performing better than anyone expected, but it is just a half season of great work, and it's been against mostly weak teams. Most of us on this board, predicted nothing but a shitty season regardless of whether DJ or AR was the starting QB. Now, some folks here are thinking we're the best team in the NFL. Not me, I'd like nothing better than to be proven wrong, but I feel there are tough times ahead.

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by albany ed

I don't think one half of one season with outstanding stats in your 7th year as a normally not so prolific QB qualifies as an elite QB. Don't get me wrong, he's performing better than anyone expected, but it is just a half season of great work, and it's been against mostly weak teams. Most of us on this board, predicted nothing but a shitty season regardless of whether DJ or AR was the starting QB. Now, some folks here are thinking we're the best team in the NFL. Not me, I'd like nothing better than to be proven wrong, but I feel there are tough times ahead.

He is playing elite right now and has all season. And it has nothing to do with his stats, it has to do with how he is playing the position. Mistake free football is huge. He is elite mentally, that won't change. I also think we are as good as anyone right now and will be much better when Ward gets back. It could all fall apart and if it does I'll be bitching like everyone else but to me this doesn't look at all like a smoke and mirrors kind of thing.

[bigalbert]

I keep waiting for the balloon to pop but it doesn’t. Even the biggest homer of a Colts fan wouldn’t have guessed we’d be here. I would like to take a little credit, I canceled the NFL package before the season which I’ve had for 30 years. Don’t worry I won’t buy any midseason special.

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(vs. CHIEFS, 11/23)



I'm going to go out on a limb and assert that Daniel Jones is the real deal, in spite of his sub-par 4th quarter and overtime against the Chiefs.

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[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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(7 WEEKS LATER)


As a Colts fan, my 2 biggest fears are ......


1) l Daniel Jones getting injured.


2) l The Kansas City Chiefs.


In my rat's ass of an opinion, the Chiefs are the biggest obstacle to the Colts making a deep playoff run and/or the Colts advancing to the Super Bowl. Presuming that the Colts do make the playoffs, I hope that they would not have to play the Chiefs until the AFC Championship game (if at all.)

o

The post-Luck Colts seem to have Mahomes's number. Even the 2022 team beat them.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

The post-Luck Colts seem to have Mahomes's number. Even the 2022 team beat them.

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I've pointed out before that not only did the 2022 Colts beat Patrick Mahomes' Chiefs with a horrible offensive line, but the 2019 Colts also beat Patrick Mahomes' Chiefs with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback.

While I find that rather interesting, I put no weight whatsoever on either of those wins ...... fluke wins are not uncommon in the NFL, and I sure as hell won't be counting on taking anything away from those games should the Colts meet the Chiefs in the post-season.


If the Colts do play and beat the Chiefs in the playoffs, it will have absolutely nothing to do with those 2 victories in 2019 and 2022.

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[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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(7 WEEKS LATER)


As a Colts fan, my 2 biggest fears are ......


1) l Daniel Jones getting injured.


2) l The Kansas City Chiefs.


In my rat's ass of an opinion, the Chiefs are the biggest obstacle to the Colts making a deep playoff run and/or the Colts advancing to the Super Bowl. Presuming that the Colts do make the playoffs, I hope that they would not have to play the Chiefs until the AFC Championship game (if at all.)

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Jones fractured his left fibula while playing against the Chiefs, and has not been as effective since, starting with the 4th quarter of that game in western Missouri ...... I said that I was afraid of the Chiefs, but not for that reason (I was afraid of them primarily because of the Patrick Mahomes factor.)


Today against the Jaguars, Jones injured his right Achilles tendon, and is probably out for the season ...... he may have continued to play in sub-par fashion if he had continued playing on the fractured left fibula, anyway.


Now, it's going to be up to Riley Leonard and the rest of the team to try to salvage this quickly sinking 2025 season.

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[Lov2fish]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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Jones fractured his left fibula while playing against the Chiefs, and has not been as effective since, starting with the 4th quarter of that game in western Missouri ...... I said that I was afraid of the Chiefs, but not for that reason (I was afraid of them primarily because of the Patrick Mahomes factor.)


Today against the Jaguars, Jones injured his right Achilles tendon, and is probably out for the season ...... he may have continued to play in sub-par fashion if he had continued playing on the fractured left fibula, anyway.


Now, it's going to be up to Riley Leonard and the rest of the team to try to salvage this quickly sinking 2025 season.

o

Just read Jones tore his Achilles