OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: Win the Rematch, Claim 1st Place (vs. TEXANS, 10/27)

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

I've ask this before and never got an answer or opinion from anyone...is Cameron Turner a good QB coach? Is he the only one that works with AR or does he have a personal coach? I mean to me, his lack of progress might warrant bringing in another QB coach or someone to work with him personally!

I know there have been other QBs that struggled early in their careers and then a coach changed the foot work or throwing motion and suddenly they became very effective.

This is a good point. Whether it's just Turner or someone else as well, they probably need to be replaced b/c what they're doing isn't working.

[ChaosTheory]

Pulling himself out was also pretty damn discouraging. Unless he actually hurt something breaking that tackle or taking that hit and isn't telling us, you can't justify it.

As for the accuracy... I'm sorry, and I know completion percentage doesn't always tell the whole story... but 10/32 is his notably better day? True, he wasn't sending missiles to the second row, but shit.

I mentioned it earlier, but accurate by NFL standards is not just getting the ball to the receiver where he could catch it vs. air. The placement is relatively subtle and separates accurate passers. He's either not judging his leads properly or not hitting his intended marks, or both.

I'll rewatch to completely sure, but I think several of these pass break-ups (drops) where bad placement. Guys have to slow their momentum, reach, contort, dive too often...

Like the final drive, 22 seconds left, Pierce beats Stingley clean on a circus route or whatever out-route it was and AR puts it between Pierce and Stingley. Pierce has to reach way back, does a 360 trying to catch it. Everybody bitches that Pierce dropped it, but goddamn.

You're trying to get a field goal. Even if Pierce makes that catch, he's in bounds. He's got like 3-4 yards between Pierce and the sideline, and he throws it a yard inside of him. It's a few yards from where it needed to be.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Pulling himself out was also pretty damn discouraging. Unless he actually hurt something breaking that tackle or taking that hit and isn't telling us, you can't justify it.

As for the accuracy... I'm sorry, and I know completion percentage doesn't always tell the whole story... but 10/32 is his notably better day? True, he wasn't sending missiles to the second row, but shit.

I mentioned it earlier, but accurate by NFL standards is not just getting the ball to the receiver where he could catch it vs. air. The placement is relatively subtle and separates accurate passers. He's either not judging his leads properly or not hitting his intended marks, or both.

I'll rewatch to completely sure, but I think several of these pass break-ups (drops) where bad placement. Guys have to slow their momentum, reach, contort, dive too often...

Like the final drive, 22 seconds left, Pierce beats Stingley clean on a circus route or whatever out-route it was and AR puts it between Pierce and Stingley. Pierce has to reach way back, does a 360 trying to catch it. Everybody bitches that Pierce dropped it, but goddamn.

You're trying to get a field goal. Even if Pierce makes that catch, he's in bounds. He's got like 3-4 yards between Pierce and the sideline, and he throws it a yard inside of him. It's a few yards from where it needed to be.

In this game anyway, my take is if Richardson had let go of the ball 1 tenth of a second earlier then he's completing a lot of those passes. That's not accuracy. That is timing.

[YDFL Commish]

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory

Pulling himself out was also pretty damn discouraging. Unless he actually hurt something breaking that tackle or taking that hit and isn't telling us, you can't justify it.

As for the accuracy... I'm sorry, and I know completion percentage doesn't always tell the whole story... but 10/32 is his notably better day? True, he wasn't sending missiles to the second row, but shit.

I mentioned it earlier, but accurate by NFL standards is not just getting the ball to the receiver where he could catch it vs. air. The placement is relatively subtle and separates accurate passers. He's either not judging his leads properly or not hitting his intended marks, or both.

I'll rewatch to completely sure, but I think several of these pass break-ups (drops) where bad placement. Guys have to slow their momentum, reach, contort, dive too often...

Like the final drive, 22 seconds left, Pierce beats Stingley clean on a circus route or whatever out-route it was and AR puts it between Pierce and Stingley. Pierce has to reach way back, does a 360 trying to catch it. Everybody bitches that Pierce dropped it, but goddamn.

You're trying to get a field goal. Even if Pierce makes that catch, he's in bounds. He's got like 3-4 yards between Pierce and the sideline, and he throws it a yard inside of him. It's a few yards from where it needed to be.

In this game anyway, my take is if Richardson had let go of the ball 1 tenth of a second earlier then he's completing a lot of those passes. That's not accuracy. That is timing.

[ChaosTheory]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

In this game anyway, my take is if Richardson had let go of the ball 1 tenth of a second earlier then he's completing a lot of those passes. That's not accuracy. That is timing.

We might be talking about the same thing. Ultimately, he's not getting the ball where it's supposed to be, when it's supposed to be there. Accuracy is a good enough term for me.

That said, throws like the Pierce one I mentioned, aren't timing issues. The ball "got there" at the right time. It was just 3 yards left of where it needed to be.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish

In this game anyway, my take is if Richardson had let go of the ball 1 tenth of a second earlier then he's completing a lot of those passes. That's not accuracy. That is timing.

there was definitely some of that. where he hit his back drop and should let it go but had to move in the pocket making the throw late. that's kind of how football works. problem is we aren't doing anything easy so the problems just compound

[rm1369]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

there was definitely some of that. where he hit his back drop and should let it go but had to move in the pocket making the throw late. that's kind of how football works. problem is we aren't doing anything easy so the problems just compound

His play in the second half of the last two games has been significantly better than his play in both first halfs. Not great, but definitely better. Is that play calling from Steichen? Or is that AR settling in? I don’t have the data to say for sure but my eyeballs tell me it’s Stechein’s play calling. I remember very little from the first half of either of those games that seemed like he was trying to make it easy on AR - the one screen they ran in either game being the only possible exception.