OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: Win the Game, Make the Playoffs (vs. TEXANS, 1/06)

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

Again, and I’ve pointed this out to you MULTIPLE times, there was NO WAY the Colts were going to be able to get into position to draft Stroud.

The Bears weren’t interested in Pittman, so they traded with Chicago.

There was no way in hell the Texans were ever gonna trade with the Colts.

So Stroud was NEVER going to be a Colt.

You should stop implying that the Colts had the option to get him.

They didn’t.

What I heard is the Colts didn't want to trade Pittman which is why they didn't end up moving up. Either way, the Colts could have put a better offer together than the Panthers did if they wanted to get to 1.

Originally Posted by Racehorse

The problem is that you DO harp on it. Just drop it, and people will stop giving you shit for harping on it.

It's an incredibly frustrating situation. It's easy to say what should be done with hindsight, I said what needed to be done with foresight. Hopefully Richardson comes out next year and lights the world on fire. That would make me forget about it.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

What I heard is the Colts didn't want to trade Pittman which is why they didn't end up moving up. Either way, the Colts could have put a better offer together than the Panthers did if they wanted to get to 1.



It's an incredibly frustrating situation. It's easy to say what should be done with hindsight, I said what needed to be done with foresight. Hopefully Richardson comes out next year and lights the world on fire. That would make me forget about it.

What I heard is that the Bears wanted a number 1 receiver to pair with Fields and they preferred Moore because they felt he was a better player than Pittman and he was also signed long term.

If that is true, then the Colts had no shot at trading to 1.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

What I heard is the Colts didn't want to trade Pittman which is why they didn't end up moving up. Either way, the Colts could have put a better offer together than the Panthers did if they wanted to get to 1.



It's an incredibly frustrating situation. It's easy to say what should be done with hindsight, I said what needed to be done with foresight. Hopefully Richardson comes out next year and lights the world on fire. That would make me forget about it.

There you go harping again

[Chromeburn]

We have Carolina’s owner Bidwell to thank for Stroud ending up in the division. If he had listened to Reich he would be in Carolina. I wonder who the Texans would have drafted if Stroud was off the board though.

[njcoltfan]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

We have Carolina’s owner Bidwell to thank for Stroud ending up in the division. If he had listened to Reich he would be in Carolina. I wonder who the Texans would have drafted if Stroud was off the board though.

I think you mean Tepper not Bidwell.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

We have Carolina’s owner Bidwell to thank for Stroud ending up in the division. If he had listened to Reich he would be in Carolina. I wonder who the Texans would have drafted if Stroud was off the board though.

Probably Young, which would've been incredible for the Colts.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc

What I heard is that the Bears wanted a number 1 receiver to pair with Fields and they preferred Moore because they felt he was a better player than Pittman and he was also signed long term.

If that is true, then the Colts had no shot at trading to 1.

The #4 pick was more valuable than #9 in part because it could've been flipped again to another QB needy team to get into that same range. In this hypothetical scenario, after trading with the Colts to move to 4, if the Bears liked DJ Moore so much, they could've flipped from 4 to 9 and got him. You can say it was impossible, if they wanted it badly enough, they'd have found a way to make it happen.

Originally Posted by Racehorse

There you go harping again

That's not "harping", that's frustration. Ballard talked the talk then did not walk the walk. Could've won the division for the first time since 2014, instead the Colts have an injured QB and a lot of "what if"s.

[IndyNorm]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

The #4 pick was more valuable than #9 in part because it could've been flipped again to another QB needy team to get into that same range. In this hypothetical scenario, after trading with the Colts to move to 4, if the Bears liked DJ Moore so much, they could've flipped from 4 to 9 and got him. You can say it was impossible, if they wanted it badly enough, they'd have found a way to make it happen.

That's not "harping", that's frustration. Ballard talked the talk then did not walk the walk. Could've won the division for the first time since 2014, instead the Colts have an injured QB and a lot of "what if"s.

You're assuming that Ballard had Stroud rated higher than AR. Considering how Ballard tends to value traits over polish and production in his draft picks it's not unlikely that he had AR rated higher than Stroud. At the very least he obviously had AR rated close enough to Stroud to where he didn't think it was worth spending the capital to trade up to #1.

Absolutely not. If Richardson comes out next year, stays healthy, and leads the Colts to a high seeded playoff berth, I'll wholeheartedly believe in him. The problem I have is there was a franchise QB available and the Colts didn't move heaven and earth to get him, like they said they would. I am right about Stroud (my comp was Rodgers, he led the league in TD:INT ratio as a rookie), and while I'll probably be annoyed about that until he's out of the league, there's no need to harp on it. Hopefully Houston will botch it with him like they did with their last franchise QB.

We all know this is BS. If Stroud ends up having the better career of the 2 then you'll continue to remind us about it every step of the way. If AR manages to live up to his potential and ends up being better than Stroud then you'll come up w/ some BS as to why that happened, similar to what you do when anyone on here brings up how bad Mac Jones and Zach Wilson are.

Probably Young, which would've been incredible for the Colts

I distinctly remember you being high on Young. Not as high as you were on Stroud obviously, but still high on him. Are you admitting that you were wrong?

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

You're assuming that Ballard had Stroud rated higher than AR. Considering how Ballard tends to value traits over polish and production in his draft picks it's not unlikely that he had AR rated higher than Stroud. At the very least he obviously had AR rated close enough to Stroud to where he didn't think it was worth spending the capital to trade up to #1.

You have pinpointed what I am frustrated about. Based on results, Stroud should've been rated head and shoulders above the rest of the class, as I had it. He led the league in TD:INT ratio AS A ROOKIE and game in and game out displayed the Aaron Rodgers like qualities (including leading the league in TD:INT ratio) that he displayed at Ohio State all year, not just in the Georgia game. His rookie year is proof that that assessment was wrong.

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

We all know this is BS. If Stroud ends up having the better career of the 2 then you'll continue to remind us about it every step of the way. If AR manages to live up to his potential and ends up being better than Stroud then you'll come up w/ some BS as to why that happened, similar to what you do when anyone on here brings up how bad Mac Jones and Zach Wilson are.

I'm a Colts fan, the Colts winning is ultimately what I want. Stroud is clearly going to be a franchise QB barring injury. If Richardson lives up to his potential and is also a franchise QB, it'll completely remove the sting of missing a different franchise QB.

As for the 2021 QB class, it looks like they were all bad. At least I can point at team based factors that ruined the development of Jones and Wilson. It's not like they're Trevor Lawrence who still can't read a defense.

Originally Posted by IndyNorm

I distinctly remember you being high on Young. Not as high as you were on Stroud obviously, but still high on him. Are you admitting that you were wrong?

If Young had 4 more inches of height, I'd've ultimately ranked Stroud higher. Why? Because they were very close in terms of performance, but there was one differentiating trait that made Stroud better in my eyes. Both QBs often rolled out of the pocket and improvised. When Young did it, he looked to run more often and didn't always keep his eyes downfield. Stroud ALWAYS kept his eyes downfield and often made opposing defenses pay for not maintaining zone discipline when he rolled out. That's why my high end comp for Stroud was Rodgers and my high end comp for Young was prime Russell Wilson. I'd choose Rodgers over Wilson.

That said, Young absolutely had a terrible rookie season on the worst roster in the league. I wouldn't write him off just yet. Both he and Richardson have a chance to completely change the narrative next year. I wouldn't count either of them out at this point.

[IndyNorm]

You have pinpointed what I am frustrated about. Based on results, Stroud should've been rated head and shoulders above the rest of the class, as I had it. He led the league in TD:INT ratio AS A ROOKIE and game in and game out displayed the Aaron Rodgers like qualities (including leading the league in TD:INT ratio) that he displayed at Ohio State all year, not just in the Georgia game. His rookie year is proof that that assessment was wrong.

I'm a Colts fan, the Colts winning is ultimately what I want. Stroud is clearly going to be a franchise QB barring injury. If Richardson lives up to his potential and is also a franchise QB, it'll completely remove the sting of missing a different franchise QB.

There you go with your hindsight harping again.

As for the 2021 QB class, it looks like they were all bad. At least I can point at team based factors that ruined the development of Jones and Wilson. It's not like they're Trevor Lawrence who still can't read a defense.

See, you still can't admit that you were wrong about Wilson and Jones (neither of which can read a defense to save their lives either). Just admit that you were wrong. It'll be healthy for you, and people on the board will respect you more.

Also, who said anything about Lawrence? I don't know if it's b/c he banged your mom or something, but the dude has been living rent free in your head for the past 3 years now. Whatever it is that's causing this you should let it go.

If Young had 4 more inches of height, I'd've ultimately ranked Stroud higher. Why? Because they were very close in terms of performance, but there was one differentiating trait that made Stroud better in my eyes. Both QBs often rolled out of the pocket and improvised. When Young did it, he looked to run more often and didn't always keep his eyes downfield. Stroud ALWAYS kept his eyes downfield and often made opposing defenses pay for not maintaining zone discipline when he rolled out. That's why my high end comp for Stroud was Rodgers and my high end comp for Young was prime Russell Wilson. I'd choose Rodgers over Wilson.

I wasn't trying to compare Stroud and Young. Stroud is clearly better, and few (if any) of us thought differently going into the draft. What I was trying to convey is that you were high on Young, and at least as of now he looks like an epic bust.

That said, Young absolutely had a terrible rookie season on the worst roster in the league. I wouldn't write him off just yet. Both he and Richardson have a chance to completely change the narrative next year. I wouldn't count either of them out at this point.

Agree that you can't give up on Young even though he was god awful this year, but clearly the signs are there that he's a possibly bust.

Not sure the narrative needs to be flipped on AR. Dude got hurt. It happens in the NFL. But what we saw when he played was VERY promising. Although you seem to want the Colts to give up on him since you've been bringing up that we should draft Jayden Daniels.