Colts and Reggie Wayne discussing possible coaching role

[Brylok]

I'm just saying that I have a bad feeling whenever any team anywhere in the world hires former players as coaches. I hope they're successful, but they're usually not.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Brylok

I'm just saying that I have a bad feeling whenever any team anywhere in the world hires former players as coaches. I hope they're successful, but they're usually not.

NFL:

Arizona-Kliff Kingsbury- quarterback Patriots, Saints, Broncos, Jets, Bills

Carolina-Ron Rivera-linebacker Bears, 3 year starter, Super Bowl winner

Chicago-Matt Nagy-quarterback Arena Football League, Eagles

Dallas-Jason Garrett-quarterback Saints, Cowboys, Giants, Buccaneers and Dolphins

Indianapolis-Frank Reich-quarterback Bills, Panthers, Jets and Lions, greatest true backup quarterback ever

Jacksonville-Doug Marrone-offensive line Dolphins and Saints

LA Chargers-Anthony Lynn-running back Broncos and 49ers, 2x Super Bowl winner

New Orleans-Sean Payton-quarterback Bears

Philadelphia-Doug Pederson-quarterback Dolphins, Panthers, Packers, Eagles and Browns, Super Bowl winner

Tennessee-Mike Vrabel-defensive end, linebacker, occasional tight end Steelers, Patriots and Chiefs, 3x Super Bowl winner, First Team All Pro, Sports Illustrated All Decade Team 2000s, probably the best playing career of any current head coach

Washington-Jay Gruden-quarterback Arizona, Arena League MVP, only on the practice squad in the NFL

Played after College but not in the NFL:

Green Bay-Matt LaFleur-quarterback, National Indoor Football League

College:

Atlanta-Dan Quinn-Salisbury University, defensive lineman, two time team captain

Baltimore-John Harbaugh-Miami of Ohio, defensive back

Buffalo-Sean McDermott-College of William and Mary-safety, all conference in 1997

Cleveland-Freddie Kitchens-Alabama, quarterback, three year starter

Detroit-Matt Patricia-Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, offensive line

Houston-Bill O’Brien-Brown, end-linebacker

Kansas City-Andy Reid-Glendale Community College and BYU offensive line

LA Rams-Sean McVay-Miami of Ohio wide receiver

Minnesota-Mike Zimmer-Illinois State quarterback and linebacker

New England-Bill Belichick-Wesleyan University center and tight end

NY Giants-Pat Shurmur-Michigan State guard, linebacker and center, All Big Ten, Honorable Mention All-American

Oakland-Jon Gruden-University of Dayton quarterback

Pittsburgh-Mike Tomlin-College of William and Mary wide receiver, Second Team All Yankee Conference

San Francisco-Kyle Shanahan-Texas wide receiver

Seattle-Pete Carroll-College of Marin and University of the Pacific free safety, 2x All Conference, tried out for a World Football League team but did not make the team

Tampa Bay-Bruce Arians-Virginia Tech quarterback

High School:

Denver-Vic Fangio, safety

You could include Jim Harbaugh, he did take the niners to the super bowl

[Oldcolt]

I hear you JAFF but wonder how many of those players went from sitting at home with essentially zero coaching experience to being in charge of a position as coach?

Stampede blue has an article saying that this is to improve the locker room. WTF? Ballard has been bragging since he got here about how he was all about building this so called 'great' locker room. Couldn't bring in big time free agents because the 'culture' wasn't right but not to worry- the Colts even hired this guy Brian Decker because he was such a genius at picking out the 'right' kind of player. After 5 years we find out that this was pure bullshit. Ballard and company cannot get into a man's head anymore than you or me. So we may have passed on some really good football players in order to build this winning culture, a huge part of the Ballard formula, and it was a total failure (just look at how these shitheads all fell apart).

I'm beginning to sour on this regime.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I hear you JAFF but wonder how many of those players went from sitting at home with essentially zero coaching experience to being in charge of a position as coach?

Stampede blue has an article saying that this is to improve the locker room. WTF? Ballard has been bragging since he got here about how he was all about building this so called 'great' locker room. Couldn't bring in big time free agents because the 'culture' wasn't right but not to worry- the Colts even hired this guy Brian Decker because he was such a genius at picking out the 'right' kind of player. After 5 years we find out that this was pure bullshit. Ballard and company cannot get into a man's head anymore than you or me. So we may have passed on some really good football players in order to build this winning culture, a huge part of the Ballard formula, and it was a total failure (just look at how these shitheads all fell apart).

I'm beginning to sour on this regime.

I don't want to pick the scab off an old wound, but Ballard didn't handle the Luck retirement right either...then railed against the shocked and disappointed fans that booed before they really had a chance to digest losing a great franchise QB. Not saying the fans handled it well, but neither did Ballard, the way it leaked out and caught so many of us off guard and then he lectures everyone...that soured me on him and I have never quite gotten over it!

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

I don't want to pick the scab off an old wound, but Ballard didn't handle the Luck retirement right either...then railed against the shocked and disappointed fans that booed before they really had a chance to digest losing a great franchise QB. Not saying the fans handled it well, but neither did Ballard, the way it leaked out and caught so many of us off guard and then he lectures everyone...that soured me on him and I have never quite gotten over it!

Do you think Ballard leaked it? Why would he?

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by JAFF

Do you think Ballard leaked it? Why would he?

The leaking was only part of the problem, it was handled badly in my opinion. Other high profile players in the league have retired unexpectedly and it didn't turn into a shit show like this did, even if he didn't leak it, someone in his circle did!

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

The leaking was only part of the problem, it was handled badly in my opinion. Other high profile players in the league have retired unexpectedly and it didn't turn into a shit show like this did, even if he didn't leak it, someone in his circle did!

Someone in the organization leaked it, before the end of the preseason game. I doubt it was Ballard. Someone in the locker room or agent wanted to be first on twitter

[Oldcolt]

Originally Posted by CletusPyle

I don't want to pick the scab off an old wound, but Ballard didn't handle the Luck retirement right either...then railed against the shocked and disappointed fans that booed before they really had a chance to digest losing a great franchise QB. Not saying the fans handled it well, but neither did Ballard, the way it leaked out and caught so many of us off guard and then he lectures everyone...that soured me on him and I have never quite gotten over it!

Damn strait on that one

[Oldcolt]

I think it was handled badly but tend to give Ballard some slack on it. This was something that almost never happens (franchise QB deciding to retire at his age), so transversing it perfectly is asking a lot. Ballard was relatively new in the position and I personally handled it poorly so I have a hard time damning someone else who did. I don't really blame anyone for the whole thing. Luck had every right to retire. It is his life. I think if they were honest most of the parties would have done it differently (I include myself in this). People learn and almost never get it correct the first time, at least that has been my own personal experience. Ancient history anyway. Five years is forever in the NFL.

[JAFF]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I hear you JAFF but wonder how many of those players went from sitting at home with essentially zero coaching experience to being in charge of a position as coach?

Stampede blue has an article saying that this is to improve the locker room. WTF? Ballard has been bragging since he got here about how he was all about building this so called 'great' locker room. Couldn't bring in big time free agents because the 'culture' wasn't right but not to worry- the Colts even hired this guy Brian Decker because he was such a genius at picking out the 'right' kind of player. After 5 years we find out that this was pure bullshit. Ballard and company cannot get into a man's head anymore than you or me. So we may have passed on some really good football players in order to build this winning culture, a huge part of the Ballard formula, and it was a total failure (just look at how these shitheads all fell apart).

I'm beginning to sour on this regime.

Frank knows these guys, he was a coach in Indy.

And they both made more money playing football than coaching it. Longer hours and more pressure to succeed is in their future and they know it.. June has been coaching in small HBSU because he could get experience. He has a record as a coach. Reggie has a record as a team captain, who had to maximize his knowledge to offset his lack of Harrison speed.

They have a record of success. They WANT to be in Indy.