New Starting QB Brissett: Perhaps a Legacy of His Own

[Pez]

Originally Posted by ChoppedWood

I am thrilled with the play of Brissett to this point. He has played within the system and he has made the plays necessary to win games. We lost one game in OT and despite playing an overall blah game against the Raiders we were still in a position to tie it until he threw a bad INT- and then he STILL managed to throw a late game desperation TD to give us an onside chance.

To me the final piece will be how he responds to a real shitter of a game- and without question there is going to be one. I'm talking a 3 INT, 35-10 beat down game where he gets sacked and just looks like shit. If he bounces back from one of those- then we'll know we have the QB we need to lead this team for the long haul. Peyton had those games and you never worried that it would impact his long term trajectory and the next game out he would go for 400 and 4. That's the last piece of the JB mosiac I am looking for.

I take your point, but would argue that there were multiple such games in 2017. He started 8 days after signing, went on to a 4-12 record and was sacked 52 times.

I don't view that he has anything else to prove in terms of his resiliency.

[Pez]

Quietly, Brissett has:

4th most passing TDs in the league
3rd least interceptions
24th least pass attempts

I think a lot of the 'game manager' talk is just people latching on to a term and using it so they have something to say.

More accurately, Reich's game plan produces a different set of expectations from the Quarterback position than we see frequently. JB so far is filling the role. If Vinny had made one of his two missed FGs, or made his extra point In week 1, we would be a 5-1 team and the conversations about us would be different.

There's some interesting poultry going on: How much is Reich changing for Brissett and how mush is Brissett changing for Reich?

[Chromeburn]

Originally Posted by Pez

Quietly, Brissett has:

4th most passing TDs in the league
3rd least interceptions
24th least pass attempts

I think a lot of the 'game manager' talk is just people latching on to a term and using it so they have something to say.

More accurately, Reich's game plan produces a different set of expectations from the Quarterback position than we see frequently. JB so far is filling the role. If Vinny had made one of his two missed FGs, or made his extra point In week 1, we would be a 5-1 team and the conversations about us would be different.

There's some interesting poultry going on: How much is Reich changing for Brissett and how mush is Brissett changing for Reich?

I think it’s just people trying to make an evaluation on limited data. It’s the culture we have created be first to get the word out no matter if it’s accurate or not.

We saw him take a backseat to the run game, so he was a game manager.

We then saw him throw a lot on a defense with a poor secondary and determined to stop the run, so now he is a game changer.

I think he is doing pretty well, but he also has a good team around him. The question I have about him is can he beat the best defenses at playoff time. When they have shut down the run game and he has to pass to win. A team that has a good secondary. Now scheme will help him a lot, but at some point he will have to make those impossible throws to win a game. Can he do it? Hopefully we will find out.

[indycolts2]

Originally Posted by Chromeburn

I think it’s just people trying to make an evaluation on limited data. It’s the culture we have created be first to get the word out no matter if it’s accurate or not.

We saw him take a backseat to the run game, so he was a game manager.

We then saw him throw a lot on a defense with a poor secondary and determined to stop the run, so now he is a game changer.

I think he is doing pretty well, but he also has a good team around him. The question I have about him is can he beat the best defenses at playoff time. When they have shut down the run game and he has to pass to win. A team that has a good secondary. Now scheme will help him a lot, but at some point he will have to make those impossible throws to win a game. Can he do it? Hopefully we will find out.

That last point you make is why I'm hoping Campbell gets healthy and becomes the weapon Colts brass envisioned and Funchess as well. I refuse to take shots at those receivers who are available because it seems they always are but Campbell/Funchess were supposed to be game changers and if faced with a top defense and having to pass in order to win JB needs them out there.

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by indycolts2

That last point you make is why I'm hoping Campbell gets healthy and becomes the weapon Colts brass envisioned and Funchess as well. I refuse to take shots at those receivers who are available because it seems they always are but Campbell/Funchess were supposed to be game changers and if faced with a top defense and having to pass in order to win JB needs them out there.

Where was this said that Funchess was supposed to be a "game changer"?

[albany ed]

Originally Posted by Maniac

Where was this said that Funchess was supposed to be a "game changer"?

Not sure where it was said, BUT, there's 13 million rea$ons to think that Ballard thought as much.

[Maniac]

Originally Posted by albany ed

Not sure where it was said, BUT, there's 13 million rea$ons to think that Ballard thought as much.

That's the natural progression of salaries.

He's the 24th highest avg salary WR, and tied for 155th in overal league avg salary.

I still am not seeing why there is this expectation of him being a game changer.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by albany ed

Not sure where it was said, BUT, there's 13 million rea$ons to think that Ballard thought as much.

Funchess is on a 1 year, $10 million deal.

[ChoppedWood]

Originally Posted by Pez

I take your point, but would argue that there were multiple such games in 2017. He started 8 days after signing, went on to a 4-12 record and was sacked 52 times.

I don't view that he has anything else to prove in terms of his resiliency.

Very sound points and in some respects a testimony to what he is made of. You could make a point that in that season which was an absolute disaster, he never had one of these complete crapper games from the QB position- think Donald from last night... no scratch that, the local high school kid would resign in deference to the integrity of the game if he played that bad...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not looking forward to one of those games but I'm not naive that one isn't going to happen and when it does, my bet is he sacks up and comes roaring back ala Peyton or Luck and doesn't fade out like so many other "flash in the pan" guys have...

[albany ed]

I think one big difference between most of the Manning led teams and the Luck led teams and this team is that if Manning or Luck had bad or even mediocre games, the Colts lost. This team has a bunch of contributors. All of them are capable of playing good or bad games, but there are so many, that opposing teams can't key on one, two or even three players to shut us down. You have 3 RBs with different skill sets, 3 TEs, several WRs (when healthy), studs on the OL and on defense, there are now some pass rushers, lbers and DBs that can impact the game with turnovers or sacks. The defense is not great, but getting better all the time. With this balance, it's possible for Jacoby to have a pedestrian game and the team still wins. With Manning and Luck, they needed to play well or we lost.