04. State of the Colts – Tight Ends

[Blue Thunder]

Some of you guys would be happy with anything that walks.... Where the hell is Dallas Clark type good TE's? We're behind the curve. The TE is the offensive weapon now. I like Doyle as a back-up. Swoope is not a starter. Allen cost us a shot at the division in London......not a fan.

[sherck]

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

Some of you guys would be happy with anything that walks.... Where the hell is Dallas Clark type good TE's? We're behind the curve. The TE is the offensive weapon now. I like Doyle as a back-up. Swoope is not a starter. Allen cost us a shot at the division in London......not a fan.

Really?

Of those players who had either over 10 receptions or 100 yards receiving:

#1 Pass Offense = NO
WR = 56.9% of receptions, 66.3% of receiving yards
TE. = 13.8% of receptions, 14.8% of receiving yards
RB. = 29.3% of receptions, 18.9% of receiving yards

#2 Pass Offense = WAS
WR = 49.8% of receptions, 58.5% of receiving yards
TE. = 27.1% of receptions, 25.6% of receiving yards
RB. = 15.1% of receptions, 15.9% of receiving yards

#3 Pass Offense = ATL
WR = 58.3% of receptions, 63.9% of receiving yards
TE. = 14.4% of receptions, 15.0% of receiving yards
RB. = 27.3% of receptions, 21.1% of receiving yards

#4 Pass Offense = NE
WR = 51.2% of receptions, 54.5% of receiving yards
TE. = 21.7% of receptions, 27.8% of receiving yards
RB. = 27.1% of receptions, 17.7% of receiving yards

#5 Pass Offense = IND
WR = 48.5% of receptions, 57.4% of receiving yards
TE. = 29.5% of receptions, 28.9% of receiving yards
RB. = 22.0% of receptions, 13.7% of receiving yards

I am not positive that I am ready to just cut all our WRs in order to play all TEs all season long. WRs still count for around 50-60% of the top team's passing game; the TE/RB ratio is bound to be determined by the offensive scheme.

Also, of the top offenses, the Colts used their TEs more than any of the other top teams. You might want to start becoming a fan of our TEs because they got the job done when asked to do so.

Cheers,

[bertjones]

The chemistry between Luck and Doyle is unmistakable. You resign
him and let the rest take care of itself.

[omahacolt]

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

Some of you guys would be happy with anything that walks.... Where the hell is Dallas Clark type good TE's? We're behind the curve. The TE is the offensive weapon now. I like Doyle as a back-up. Swoope is not a starter. Allen cost us a shot at the division in London......not a fan.

Wtf are you talking about? Allen didn't cost us the jags game

[PeytonsForehead]

Tight End is an offensive weapon... However, that doesn't mean we need to constantly be searching for the "truth" like Clark, Graham, etc... Doyle isn't an athletic freak like Gronk. Unless he wants to stay for cheap then I don't want him when we're paying Allen all of that money.

[rcubed]

Spotrac projects Doyle to get a four-year deal worth $24,803,317, which would pay him an average of $6,200,829 per season.

opinions? I think I would do it unless it really prohibits us from a better FA even at another position.

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by rcubed

Spotrac projects Doyle to get a four-year deal worth $24,803,317, which would pay him an average of $6,200,829 per season.

opinions? I think I would do it unless it really prohibits us from a better FA even at another position.

Depends on the philosophy going forward. Good TEs are not overly available, so he would get paid by someone. Do you see him as a part of the future? Do you see him as one you have to keep to contend now, if we are close to contending?

If we are looking to be FA players in the future, we need to roll dollars forward. You would have to make room for him if you want to carry any cap dollars into future years. That may mean cutting Allen.

[sherck]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

Depends on the philosophy going forward. Good TEs are not overly available, so he would get paid by someone. Do you see him as a part of the future? Do you see him as one you have to keep to contend now, if we are close to contending?

If we are looking to be FA players in the future, we need to roll dollars forward. You would have to make room for him if you want to carry any cap dollars into future years. That may mean cutting Allen.

Why do we need to roll dollars forward?

In 2017, we now project to have around $47m to spend on free agents (now that Patty Mac's numbers come off the board) and up to $57m if we cut Jones and Jackson.

In 2018, we currently only have $96m committed which, if the cap keeps bumping up at around the same rate each season, would mean we have around $80m in free cap space. Of course, that $80m has to account for anyone signed in 2017 so even if we spend all $47m in 2017 we STILL have $33m of new money to spend in 2018.

In 2019, we only have $70m currently allotted so even if we spend all $80 over 2017 and 2018, we are STILL free on about $40m of NEW money in 2019.

Seriously, the issue is not rolling money over; the issue is spending our free money WELL on players who are part of the solution going forward.

And, if after watching Jack Doyle for the past three seasons, you don't think he is part of a football solution going forward, I just don't know what to say.

Cheers,

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by sherck

Why do we need to roll dollars forward?

That was in response to the poster who said he thought Ballard was going to sit on dollars this year and roll some into the next off-season.

[Dam8610]

Originally Posted by omahacolt

Wtf are you talking about? Allen didn't cost us the jags game

You're blind. He dropped a pass on 4th and 1 that would've extended a potential game winning drive.