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[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I don't really care how AD performs. Pundits say that since it worked out for the team, somehow it was a bad trade for the other team. l There is no way to know how the player would have performed on his previous team if he was not traded. Sometimes a player only improves by having a new situation, either because the situation is better for him, or because he only learned to improve by the first team giving up on him. l In the case of Mitchell, he was a luxury as a WR4, and we needed a CB a lot worse, so it was a good trade, at the time. Hindsight is always 50/50, but GMs do not have crustal balls to know how it will work out, but they swing for the fences anyway. Ballard haters will always play the hindsight game. But they only play it when it turns out bad, and not when he gets a player like DeForest Buckner.

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If I had to take a wild guess, I would say that the blunders that Adonai Mitchell committed while playing for the Colts (particularly dropping the ball at the 1/2-yardline, and nullifying a Jonathan Taylor touchdown with a holding penalty that was nowhere near the play in the same game against the Rams) weighed on him. And because of that, even though he went from a team that was at the time one of the favorites to win the AFC Championship to one of the worst teams in the NFL, it was a relief for him ...... he has gotten a lot more playing time with his new team, and he is no longer carrying the weight of blowing a crucial game for a team that was (at that time) fighting for the #1 overall seed in the AFC.

Subsequently, I completely agree with you ...... there is no way to accurately presume just how Mitchell would have performed had he stayed with the Colts ...... in fact, there is a good chance that he still would have been sitting on the sidelines for the majority of the games that the Colts have played since he was traded.

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[sherck]

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles

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More significantly, we're not going to know how good or bad that trade was for at least a couple of years.

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What?!? No!!!! Must grade now!!! Must decide all future value now!!!! COLTS SUCK!!!! BALLARD SUCKS!


Yeah, I hope I covered it all....

[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

I actually agree with this and under normal circumstances would think it is good criticism. I think however that the amount of leeway you give a player when you know when you draft him he has huge holes in his game but still gamble a second round draft pick on the man is greater than this. I agree you never know but if you are going to spend a second round draft pick on a dude you damn well should know before you give up on him. It isn't something you fire people over but when you decide to keep Banogu for years but give up on AD (assuming he turns it around) I do believe it says something about your player evaluation.

I think they have shown growth in not keeping mistakes like they did early on. If you make a mistake, get something for the mistake if you can.

[CletusPyle]

Originally Posted by nate505

It wasn't even the worst trade the Colts made in the past 5 years.

Now there is some high praise for Chris Ballard!

[Oldcolt]

[QUOTE=Racehorse;338723]I think they have shown growth in not keeping mistakes like they did early on. If you make a mistake, get something for the mistake if you can.[/QUOTE

Thanks. This makes sense to me. You see progress, which means to me you thought it was needed. If I am Ballard and AD hits big I admit to myself I fucked up and then I try to figure out why I screwed up. This is all conjecture anyway since AD hasn't hit big and I personally think Sauce is worth it if he stays a top 5 cb.

[Racehorse]

[QUOTE=Oldcolt;338735]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I think they have shown growth in not keeping mistakes like they did early on. If you make a mistake, get something for the mistake if you can.[/QUOTE

Thanks. This makes sense to me. You see progress, which means to me you thought it was needed. If I am Ballard and AD hits big I admit to myself I fucked up and then I try to figure out why I screwed up. This is all conjecture anyway since AD hasn't hit big and I personally think Sauce is worth it if he stays a top 5 cb.

I think first time coaches and GMs all have areas they need to grow into. This is why I think firing Shane is a bad idea. He is green as a HC, and will get better.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Racehorse

I don't really care how AD performs. l Pundits say that since it worked out for the team, somehow it was a bad trade for the other team. There is no way to know how the player would have performed on his previous team if he was not traded. Sometimes a player only improves by having a new situation, either because the situation is better for him, or because he only learned to improve by the first team giving up on him. In the case of Mitchell, he was a luxury as a WR4, and we needed a CB a lot worse, so it was a good trade, at the time. Hindsight is always 50/50, but GMs do not have crustal balls to know how it will work out, but they swing for the fences anyway. Ballard haters will always play the hindsight game. But they only play it when it turns out bad, and not when he gets a player like DeForest Buckner.

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Actually, I do care how Mitchell does with the Jets ...... I'm rooting very much for the young man to play well for them, and to resurrect a career that was marred by a very embarrassing game against the Rams.

Even if Mitchell goes on to be a 3-time All-Pro with the Jets, that portion of the trade was incidental ...... the Colts needed a cornerback, they didn't need a 2nd-string wide receiver who was getting almost no playing time. I don't think that there is a Colts fan on the planet that believes that Micthell was going to be a big part of the Colts' future plans just before he was traded, and so his leaving the team for the Jets was essentially incidental ...... I believe that the draft picks that the Colts gave up for Sauce Gardner is a much more appropriate gauge of the trade than Mitchell being packaged with them is. Lamenting Micthell playing well for the Jets and subsequently groaning that he was part of the Sauce Gardner trade is just adding gasoline to the proverbial "Ballard sucks" fire.

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[Oldcolt]

To be clear C&O I am not lamenting anything because nothing has happened. I believe, however, if AD turns into a perennial all pro it is something that is fair game to look at and say you missed your evaluation on him. That is a big if and nothing has even come close to that but I don't want my GM throwing in a great receiver as a throw in (again this has not happened, I am not calling for anything-just saying it does matter what happens to AD) I totally agree with you that if what we are talking about is how he has played so far it is totally unfair to get on anyone for the trade and is just adding gasoline as you said. . Way way too soon.

[Colts And Orioles]

Originally Posted by Oldcolt

To be clear C&O, I am not lamenting anything because nothing has happened. I believe, however, if AD turns into a perennial all pro it is something that is fair game to look at and say you missed your evaluation on him. That is a big if and nothing has even come close to that but I don't want my GM throwing in a great receiver as a throw in (again this has not happened, I am not calling for anything-just saying it does matter what happens to AD) I totally agree with you that if what we are talking about is how he has played so far it is totally unfair to get on anyone for the trade and is just adding gasoline as you said. Way way too soon.

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Considering Mitchell's troubled and very sub-par tenure here, and also the fact that the Colts already have 3 excellent wide receivers on their roster, I don't think that the Colts would be missing their evaluation of Mitchell if he plays well with the Jets ...... as Racehorse pointed out, there is no possible way that one can presume that a traded player would have necessarily performed the same with his old team as he is performing with his new team. The change in environment was ideal for Mitchell, going from being a player who was widely scorned by the press and Colts fans for screwing up badly in crunch time when he played here to a team that is very under-the-radar because of how bad they are, and who can easily give him the playing time that he wasn't getting with the Colts, a team that had Michael Pittman Jr, Josh Downs, and Alec Pierce all playing ahead of him.

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[HoosierinFL]

Originally Posted by nate505

It wasn't even the worst trade the Colts made in the past 5 years.

Nowhere near as bad as trading for Anthony Richardson