[Racehorse]

Originally Posted by Dam8610

There's only one perspective any of us have. Can't say what your perspective or anyone else's is. Mine is that a franchise QB was there for the taking and Ballard did not move heaven and earth to get him as he promised.



How do you think Chiefs fans feel about not having a 2018 1st round draft pick? Do you think they care?

Barring injury, C.J. Stroud is well on his way to being a franchise QB, and he's not a Colt. I think we can agree on those things at the very least. You don't have to be frustrated about that, but I am. I'd rather have the sure thing than the chance.



Each player is different and it's not really possible to know what development path will work best for each one. That said, clearly throwing him into the fire didn't work out for the Jets and Zach Wilson. Does that mean a redshirt year would've turned Zach Wilson into a world beater franchise QB? Not necessarily, but Patrick Mahomes credits his redshirt year with allowing him to be the QB he is today. I do wonder what would've happened with Wilson had he been given that redshirt year, but we'll never really know now.



Mac Jones had 3 OCs in 3 years, one of which made his name in the NFL as a DC. Everything that Belicheat did to aid Tom Brady's development, he did AT LEAST that much to destroy Mac Jones's development. Jones would've been better off in literally any other situation, and might be a better version of Brock Purdy had the 49ers actually drafted him.



Everyone was wrong about the 2021 QB class, I said that already. The previous two paragraphs I feel are far more interesting discussion than the above sentence.



He doesn't, but as several people here said at the time, it was a pretty bold call to call Lawrence a bust at the time he was being anointed as the future of the NFL. I think getting things like that right when going against all conventional wisdom lends credibility to my evaluations going forward.



That particular part was about rankings. Most had Young ahead of Stroud in rankings.



I still think his poise, accuracy, and ability to improvise give him a chance to succeed and his size gives him a chance to fail. He appears to be hampered by a less than ideal organizational situation as well.



Yes, it's a chance. A damn near guarantee was passed up for a chance.



Daniels likely won't be there at 15, so the point is probably moot, like I already said and it seems you agree. I also haven't watched enough film of him yet to have a real opinion on Daniels, I just very much like what I've seen so far.



I appreciate the compliment portion, but I'm not going to "admit" I'm wrong if I don't feel I am (Yes, lots of "I" there, don't know another way to express the point). You know what I will say I was wrong about? Taylor's fumble problem negating most of his value. I still hate fumbles from RBs, but Taylor has reduced his fumbling quite a bit in the NFL and he produces far too much positive value for it to be negated by his fumbles, especially considering how much less he's done it in the NFL.



Let's be real, as C & O already illustrated, most votes were for Richardson. Only 3 votes (including my own) were for Stroud. Levis got as many votes as Stroud. Most were also likely taking draft position into consideration when they voted. So I don't think that was as representative of "Which QB do you want?" as it was "Which QB do you want at 4?" I did not make that consideration in my vote, as I believed Ballard was correct when he said that if a franchise QB was available, heaven and earth should be moved to get him.

I'm not going to comment on much here, except how you act (harp on) regarding Stroud, and the part about votes and moving heaven and earth.

Yes, I think most of us voted with the idea that it was between Levis and AR. There was no feasible concept where we would get a shot at Stroud or Young. It was known for quite some time that Carolina moved up to get Young. This means we were not going to get a shot at Stroud, because HOU is a division rival. You say we could have moved up like Carolina did, but the asking price was very steep, it seems. Why do that if you have Stroud and Richardson rated about equally, as it seems Ballard did?

About your harping, that is the real issue. I am not asking you to "admit" that Stroud was not as you predicted, because that would be a lie. I am saying that you should give it a rest. we all agree he is doing an amazing job, but we also saw what AR was able to do in our offense, and it was just as electric.