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JAFF 07-16-2018 08:55 AM

What NCAA football is doing to the NFL
 
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/07/12/co...2019-nfl-draft

Butter 07-17-2018 08:14 PM

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They realize they’ll win more games if they stop complaining about the lack of preparation the current college game provides and just meet their drafted players where they are, instead of trying to force years of learning down their throats with suboptimal results.
This is the key, Coach and gameplan to the players you have, not the players you want.

YDFL Commish 07-17-2018 08:39 PM

"We're going to run the ball and stop the run" Tell me the last time that strategy worked in the NFL?

Puck 07-17-2018 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 71874)
"We're going to run the ball and stop the run" Tell me the last time that strategy worked in the NFL?

No stock in that until proven different from the last 6 yr. because Pagfuck and Grigfuck said the same thing.

JAFF 07-18-2018 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 71874)
"We're going to run the ball and stop the run" Tell me the last time that strategy worked in the NFL?

When the Colts won the super bowl in 06.

In the playoffs it was true.

YDFL Commish 07-18-2018 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 71893)
When the Colts won the super bowl in 06.

In the playoffs it was true.

Agreed, in the playoffs, it was true. The Colts ran the ball adequately during the regular season and stopped the run horrendously during the regular season.

Also, that was 12 years ago.

IMO, the adage should be "We will stop the run we have to and run the ball well when we have to."

That is the reality of today's NFL.

JAFF 07-18-2018 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 71921)
Agreed, in the playoffs, it was true. The Colts ran the ball adequately during the regular season and stopped the run horrendously during the regular season.

Also, that was 12 years ago.

IMO, the adage should be "We will stop the run we have to and run the ball well when we have to."

That is the reality of today's NFL.

According to pro football referrence, the Eagles were in the top 5 in bothe team rushing and rush defence. So were the jags.

Butter 07-19-2018 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 71932)
According to pro football referrence, the Eagles were in the top 5 in both team rushing and rush defence. So were the jags.

Are you referencing the the total yards statistics? If so bulk stats like that have little value.

JAFF 07-19-2018 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 71951)
Are you referencing the the total yards statistics? If so bulk stats like that have little value.

For all 32 teams the top 10 rushing teams made the playoffs.

For all 32 Teams the teams are scattered from top to bottom, but most of the playoff teams were in the upper half in terms of yards per game. I used thar since we are talking about rushing.

Butter 07-19-2018 04:15 PM

Correlation does not equal causation. Teams with a lead run more and teams behind tend to pass more. Bulk stats used alone are junk.

JAFF 07-19-2018 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 71968)
Correlation does not equal causation. Teams with a lead run more and teams behind tend to pass more. Bulk stats used alone are junk.

Its not that hard. Did you watch the colts v jags last year? They could run the ball and they could stop the run and if they had Nick Foles they would have beaten the pats.

YDFL Commish 07-19-2018 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 71979)
Its not that hard. Did you watch the colts v jags last year? They could run the ball and they could stop the run and if they had Nick Foles they would have beaten the pats.

Have you watched the last 2 SB? Running the ball and stopping the run, was not really in the game plans.

Butter 07-19-2018 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 71979)
Its not that hard. Did you watch the colts v jags last year? They could run the ball and they could stop the run and if they had Nick Foles they would have beaten the pats.

You don't seem to be comprehending my point. The stats you are trying to use to prove your point are weak.

JAFF 07-19-2018 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 71982)
Have you watched the last 2 SB? Running the ball and stopping the run, was not really in the game plans.

And could the pats run the ball into the end zone to win the game? They didnt think so and they lost to the Eagles the same as the Seahawks lost to the pats on a last play pass.

The facons had the pats down 21-3 at half and couldnt put the away because the couldnt run the ball. They had 2, three and out and a 4 and out in the secound half. They ran for under 100 yards.

Last year the top rushing teams averaged 4.5+ and they made the playoffs. The Bills made the playoffs on their running game.

JAFF 07-19-2018 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 71983)
You don't seem to be comprehending my point. The stats you are trying to use to prove your point are weak.

Thats your opinion. Ok, i wont use numbers.

The difference between the saints two years ago and last years success was a running game.

Are you going to tell me that the rushing stats for the jags has nothing to do with their season last year? It sure made it easy for bortles, he had his best season with that running game. Oh, and that D they had made it ok to punt.

YDFL Commish 07-19-2018 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 71985)
Thats your opinion. Ok, i wont use numbers.

The difference between the saints two years ago and last years success was a running game.

Are you going to tell me that the rushing stats for the jags has nothing to do with their season last year? It sure made it easy for bortles, he had his best season with that running game. Oh, and that D they had made it ok to punt.

And they will never be a champion.

JAFF 07-20-2018 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 71988)
And they will never be a champion.

Never is a long time.

Butter 07-20-2018 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 71985)
Thats your opinion. Ok, i wont use numbers.

The difference between the saints two years ago and last years success was a running game.

Are you going to tell me that the rushing stats for the jags has nothing to do with their season last year? It sure made it easy for bortles, he had his best season with that running game. Oh, and that D they had made it ok to punt.

Bulk stats used like you are is a weak crutch. I am not even arguing about the rest of your point, though I think you are placing too much emphasis on the running game and trying to make a complex thing simple. Obviously being able to run and stop the run is not unimportant, no one will argue that. This is a passing league and with the changes coming in the helmet contract rules it is going to become even more so one.

JAFF 07-21-2018 07:11 PM

And I think you are compicating something simple. A team wants to put a ball game away, they run the ball. Move the sticks, run the clock. Shorten the game? Run the ball.

That has not changed.

The patriot chuck and duck is an extention of their run game, but it tends to go sideways. It takes a load off of the o line. I prefer the Tom Moore play action, down the field in the seams. It works when you can run the ball.

Butter 07-21-2018 07:55 PM

Sigh, I give up. I am not sure if you are really this dense or just doing so intentionally to troll.

JAFF 07-21-2018 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 72071)
Sigh, I give up. I am not sure if you are really this dense or just doing so intentionally to troll.

Not a troll. We will see in about a month how the offense looks

Butter 07-21-2018 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 72072)
Not a troll. We will see in about a month how the offense looks

WTF does that even mean. It is like we are having separate conversations. I made a narrow comment about the stats you are using to support your argument and you go off in several different directions. I can only take from this you are not here to discuss or debate, but to pontificate.


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