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1965southpaw 03-26-2018 11:01 PM

Trade offers for Jacoby
 
Interesting. I'm happy that Ballard turned these offers down. We need the depth at QB.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2018/...-trade-offers/

sherck 03-27-2018 06:45 AM

I agree. In the overall scheme of things, having him as QB2 is pretty darn nice.

However, I would have loved to know what folks were offering. If it were a 2nd round pick, I am not so sure that I would not have taken it and then used our 4th or 5th round pick on backup QB.

But, my guess is that we will not know.

Walk Worthy,

omahacolt 03-27-2018 06:47 AM

Better to keep him. With better coaching he should be a top backup

Racehorse 03-27-2018 06:59 AM

Trading him in front of the draft would also hurt our chances of success with trades on draft day. Let the desperate teams stay desperate until we draft or trade the pick.

DrSpaceman 03-27-2018 09:00 AM

Would not trade him

As a full year starter he is iffy, but as a back up I think he is solid and can fill in well.

FatDT 03-27-2018 09:23 AM

Can't trade him til Luck is fully back. And I'd rather just have a good backup QB. If Foles ever gets traded, I'd base Brisset's value on that.

Chromeburn 03-27-2018 09:31 AM

I think in a year or two his value will max. But I like Brisset more than a lot of guys in this draft. With a better line and system I think he could do well.

VeveJones007 03-27-2018 10:17 AM

If Luck is back healthy next year, you trade him next offseason before he starts to get more expensive.

Racehorse 03-27-2018 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 61222)
If Luck is back healthy next year, you trade him next offseason before he starts to get more expensive.

Which guy are you referring to as "him"? Surely not Luck

VeveJones007 03-27-2018 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 61256)
Which guy are you referring to as "him"? Surely not Luck

Luck’s contract is locked in. How would he be getting “more expensive?”

Racehorse 03-27-2018 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 61258)
Luck’s contract is locked in. How would he be getting “more expensive?”

That was my point

Butter 03-27-2018 10:27 PM

I am glad Ballard is not willing to quickly trade off Brisset. Unfortunately, Luck has been injured often, we need a quality back up to be able to relieve him if he needs to sit out a few games. Brissett is worth more than the 4th or lower picks I suspect teams offered.

testcase448 03-28-2018 08:16 AM

Unless there is MAJOR o-line improvement this year, we need to ADD QBs

Luck will not last 5 games as is

Puck 03-28-2018 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 61348)
Unless there is MAJOR o-line improvement this year, we need to ADD QBs

Luck will not last 5 games as is


Stephen Holder
Stephen Holder
@HolderStephen
Reich says they'll be scheming to get the ball out quicker. "I've always been a believer in protecting the quarterback."
7:23 AM · Mar 27, 2018

testcase448 03-28-2018 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 61351)
Stephen Holder
Stephen Holder
@HolderStephen
Reich says they'll be scheming to get the ball out quicker. "I've always been a believer in protecting the quarterback."
7:23 AM · Mar 27, 2018

Heard it before...
Sort of an backhand slap at the o-line players on the roster.

omahacolt 03-28-2018 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 61355)
Heard it before...
Sort of an backhand slap at the o-line players on the roster.

no it isn't

he is just stating that he coaches the way modern nfl coaches should coach. you know, the exact opposite of pagano

Dam8610 03-28-2018 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 61355)
Heard it before...
Sort of an backhand slap at the o-line players on the roster.

Or a strategy by the coaching staff. Getting the ball out quicker is a good strategy regardless of your OL talent.

Spike 03-28-2018 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puck (Post 61351)
Stephen Holder
Stephen Holder
@HolderStephen
Reich says they'll be scheming to get the ball out quicker. "I've always been a believer in protecting the quarterback."
7:23 AM · Mar 27, 2018

It about damn time the Colts had a coach with a brain.

Spike 03-28-2018 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 61357)
no it isn't

he is just stating that he coaches the way modern nfl coaches should coach. you know, the exact opposite of pagano

So damn glad Pagano is gone. He was one clueless bastard.

VeveJones007 03-28-2018 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 61360)
Or a strategy by the coaching staff. Getting the ball out quicker is a good strategy regardless of your OL talent.

Some fans never realized how bad some of those Manning o-lines were because he was getting the ball out and setting extra protection where it was needed.

rcubed 09-24-2018 01:14 PM

Anyone want to change their mind on jacoby if San Fran comes calling?

Chromeburn 09-24-2018 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 61368)
Some fans never realized how bad some of those Manning o-lines were because he was getting the ball out and setting extra protection where it was needed.

You want to know how bad his lines were, Manning was the most hit QB after release. He was still getting hit, he just got the ball out before he did. That guy did more with less than just about anyone I have seen. He manipulated the game so much, he protected his oline and the bad defense.

That’s why I can never call Brady the goat. Always had a line, always had a D. First three SB’s were won by his kicker. Should have lost to the Seahawks, should have lost to the falcons. But that comeback against the Falcons I give major props for. However it only happens bc their D shut down the Falcons O. Brady goes down, and they go to the playoffs with Cassel. Manning goes down and the Colts are the worst team in the league.

Dam8610 09-24-2018 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 81936)
Anyone want to change their mind on jacoby if San Fran comes calling?

Are they calling with at least a 1?

Colts And Orioles 09-24-2018 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 61368)




Some fans never realized how bad some of those Manning o-lines were because he was getting the ball out and setting extra protection where it was needed.





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I think that many of those fans DO realize this, they are just reluctant to admit it because of their own agenda/fandom reasons.


o


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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 81942)



You want to know how bad his lines were, Manning was the most hit QB after release. He was still getting hit, he just got the ball out before he did. That guy did more with less than just about anyone I have seen. He manipulated the game so much, he protected his oline and the bad defense.

That’s why I can never call Brady the goat. Always had a line, always had a D. First three SB’s were won by his kicker. Should have lost to the Seahawks, should have lost to the falcons. But that comeback against the Falcons I give major props for. However it only happens bc their D shut down the Falcons O. Brady goes down, and they go to the playoffs with Cassel. Manning goes down and the Colts are the worst team in the league.




o


When Peyton Manning missed the entire 2011 season due to injury, the Colts lost their first 13 games of the season, and went 2-14 overall.

When Tom Brady missed the entire 2008 season, the Patriots went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at quarterback, and only missed the postseason because of a tiebreaker. In fact, they were only the second team ever to go 11-5 and miss the postseason (the 1985 Denver Broncos being the other) since the inaugural 16-game schedule season in 1978.


Terry Bradshaw was a very good quarterback, and he excelled in the postseason (particularly in bad-weather games.) And I believe that he is rightfully a member of the Hall-of-Fame. However, his being 4-0 in the Super Bowl as a starting quarterback (including two Super Bowl MVP awards) does not necessarily mean that he was a better quarterback than was Dan Marino, whose team was blown out by the 49ers by a score of 38-16 in the only Super Bowl that he ever reached.


Yes, Brady has made it to 8 Super Bowls, winning 5 of them. That doesn't necessarily make him a better quarterback than Peyton Manning, any more than Terry Bradshaw's 2 Super Bowl MVP's and 4 Super Bowl titles necessarily make him a better quarterback than Dan Marino.


Bart Stahr won 5 world championships as a starting quarterback also, but I don't think that that necessarily means that he was a better quarterback than John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, or Roger Staubach all were, either.


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Chromeburn 09-24-2018 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 81965)
o


I think that many of those fans DO realize this, they are just reluctant to admit it because of their own agenda/fandom reasons.


o





o


When Peyton Manning missed the entire 2011 season due to injury, the Colts lost their first 13 games of the season, and went 2-14 overall.

When Tom Brady missed the entire 2008 season, the Patriots went 11-5 with Matt Cassel at quarterback, and only missed the postseason because of a tiebreaker. In fact, they were only the second team ever to go 11-5 and miss the postseason (the 1985 Denver Broncos being the other) since the inaugural 16-game schedule season in 1978.


Terry Bradshaw was a very good quarterback, and he excelled in the postseason (particularly in bad-weather games.) And I believe that he is rightfully a member of the Hall-of-Fame. However, his being 4-0 in the Super Bowl as a starting quarterback (including two Super Bowl MVP awards) does not necessarily mean that he was a better quarterback than was Dan Marino, whose team was blown out by the 49ers by a score of 38-16 in the only Super Bowl that he ever reached.


Yes, Brady has made it to 8 Super Bowls, winning 5 of them. That doesn't necessarily doesn't make him a better quarterback than Peyton Manning, any more than Terry Bradshaw's 2 Super Bowl MVP's and 4 Super Bowl titles necessarily make him a better quarterback than Dan Marino.


Bart Stahr won 5 world championships as a starting quarterback also, but I don't think that that necessarily means that he was a better quarterback than John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, or Roger Staubach all were, either.


o


If you use SB wins that is fine. Then Brady is your goat. But I don’t like simplistic measurements like that. I think the pats have made many average QBs look good in that system. Brady is accurate and reads D’s well, but he folds under pressure. Manning is the only QB to win SBs with two different teams. But that is simplistic as well. I do know you put a defense with manning and he will get you SB wins. Would Belicheat and Brady be the same without each other? Anyway, the game was different in the 70’s. I kind of consider Walsh and Montana as the start of the modern era. But even 80’s 90’s football was very different than today. Salary cap, parity, pass offenses and rules, WRs and their gloves with PI rules. It’s so different.

Of that era I would probably go Elway, Montana, Marino. But as a pure passer, hard to go against Marino.

rcubed 09-24-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 81964)
Are they calling with at least a 1?

doubt it.

1965southpaw 09-24-2018 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 81936)
Anyone want to change their mind on jacoby if San Fran comes calling?

Nope....unless they offer a kings ransom in draft picks. Having a quality backup like Brisset is an essential element of a complete SB contending team (see Eagles last year). Why create another talent gap when we already have so many to fill to get back to being a SB contender?

As a side note.....3 games into the season and it looks like Dorset still isn't living up to his high draft pick. We definitely got the better end of that trade.

Dam8610 09-24-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 81981)
doubt it.

Then good luck with CJ Beathard.

JAFF 09-24-2018 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by testcase448 (Post 61355)
Heard it before...
Sort of an backhand slap at the o-line players on the roster.

Truth hurts. The eagles have a good pass rush and where playing deep covers. The colts couldnt get open deep.


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