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ChaosTheory 10-29-2023 04:54 PM

Quick Thoughts - Week 8
 
-Worst game by the defense all year.

-At one point, the front-7 looked good against the run, except for Hill in the wildcat. Eventually, though, they were worn down and got gashed.

-Franklin was messed up. Kept coming back, surprisingly. Didn't look the same.

-Leonard was in on a lot of plays and I like having him as one of our LBs... but he has yet to show ANY resemblance of that $19m player we signed pre-surgery. Still being patient, but as of now, he looks like an off-season cut (because nobody will trade for that contract).

-Jaylon Jones was made love to. Tony Brown was molested.

-Pass rush wasn't good. Only 1 sack and 2 QB hits.

-Big plays were brutal. A couple, like the almost INT by Thomas, were tough. Most were bad plays by us.

-Offense is very simple in my mind: Taylor and Moss ran the ball 23 total times, Minshew threw the ball 41 times. Does not work with this team. Situational or not, we HAVE to run the ball.

-Quick count... 18 of our RB's 23 carries were in the first half. And we were gashing them. Scored 20 points.

-We had 5 fucking rushes in the entire 2nd half. JT, our fresh, $42m back, had one single carry in the 2nd. Moss had 4, including our second 40+ yarder. Our final rush of the game came with 4:36 left in the 3rd quarter.


I might rewatch to nitpick the OL and WR, but it doesn't matter. We're set up for failure when we abandon the run.

njcoltfan 10-29-2023 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 281031)
-Worst game by the defense all year.

-At one point, the front-7 looked good against the run, except for Hill in the wildcat. Eventually, though, they were worn down and got gashed.

-Franklin was messed up. Kept coming back, surprisingly. Didn't look the same.

-Leonard was in on a lot of plays and I like having him as one of our LBs... but he has yet to show ANY resemblance of that $19m player we signed pre-surgery. Still being patient, but as of now, he looks like an off-season cut (because nobody will trade for that contract).

-Jaylon Jones was made love to. Tony Brown was molested.

-Pass rush wasn't good. Only 1 sack and 2 QB hits.

-Big plays were brutal. A couple, like the almost INT by Thomas, were tough. Most were bad plays by us.

-Offense is very simple in my mind: Taylor and Moss ran the ball 23 total times, Minshew threw the ball 41 times. Does not work with this team. Situational or not, we HAVE to run the ball.

-Quick count... 18 of our RB's 23 carries were in the first half. And we were gashing them. Scored 20 points.

-We had 5 fucking rushes in the entire 2nd half. JT, our fresh, $42m back, had one single carry in the 2nd. Moss had 4, including our second 40+ yarder. Our final rush of the game came with 4:36 left in the 3rd quarter.


I might rewatch to nitpick the OL and WR, but it doesn't matter. We're set up for failure when we abandon the run.

Minschew SUCKS for every good play, he makes four bad ones !!! Let Sam play and try to trade him.

Indystu2 10-29-2023 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 281031)
-Jaylon Jones was made love to. Tony Brown was molested.

-Offense is very simple in my mind: Taylor and Moss ran the ball 23 total times, Minshew threw the ball 41 times. Does not work with this team. Situational or not, we HAVE to run the ball.

-Quick count... 18 of our RB's 23 carries were in the first half. And we were gashing them. Scored 20 points.

-We had 5 fucking rushes in the entire 2nd half. JT, our fresh, $42m back, had one single carry in the 2nd. Moss had 4, including our second 40+ yarder. Our final rush of the game came with 4:36 left in the 3rd quarter.

- The "next gen" play caller Steichen just abandoned the run, again. As I said in another thread, maybe he thinks he still has Hurts or Richardson, but Minshew should be the supporting cast for Moss and Taylor. I was hoping play calling would cater to our actual talent, unlike the last coaching staff, but NOOO. Just so damned frustrating.

- Cut 38 today.

omahacolt 10-29-2023 05:36 PM

here are mine


1) ballard has built a bad team. once again. we have cap space. once again. his inability to or unwillingness to use his resources to help the team is maddening.

2) leonard is done. this dude needs to be benched and/or cut. his ability and effort is garbage. be done with it. i am looking forward to him not being on the team

3) grover is good. buckner is really good. everyone else is just a body. paye is a good player. ebukam is as well. but they are role players. not difference makers. dayo gets a lot of hype but he is just hype. fine guy to have but he will never be a buckner. we have to get some pass rushers

4) our corner depth is garbage and we knew this. ballard knew this. baker and brown should never see snaps outside of special teams. baker should't even be on the team. major fail from ballard.

5) minshew is terrible in the pocket. just loses his mind if things get shitty. i am almost at the point that i am wanting ehlinger. a vet backup qb just cant turn the ball over this much. but he is a backup so i don't care all that much. season is over anyway,

6) colts can't play at home. i blame the fans. we have always had one of the worst fanbases in the league. lucas oil stadium really showcases how our fans are shit. there is no home field advantage.

7) how did brown not get benched? bradley should be fired for starting him after the half.

8) taylor was killing it and then we stop giving him the ball. fuck you steichen. moss is a fine backup but let taylor play. he shouldn't be on the bench so much

9) really starting to love downs. that kid can play.

10) outside of 1 wr. we need to go all defense in the draft. we have to get some pass rushers. it has to happen. we have no playmakers on d outside of buckner

CletusPyle 10-29-2023 05:57 PM

I agree we should just play Sam, Minshew is definitely better than Ryan or Wentz, but not good enough for s to compete for a playoff spot, so why not let Sam play?

Hoopsdoc 10-29-2023 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 281042)
I agree we should just play Sam, Minshew is definitely better than Ryan or Wentz, but not good enough for s to compete for a playoff spot, so why not let Sam play?

Because Sam freaking sucks. We can lose just as well with Minshew.

No. More. Sam.

IndyNorm 10-29-2023 06:53 PM

I had to drive home this afternoon, so I was only able to watch the first half but listened to the 2nd half while driving.

- Our defense was horrible today. I know we have some guys out, but just a terrible performance against (at least up to this point in the season) a below average offense. If we don't get Brents back soon then it's probably not going to be any better.

- Agree on the play calling. Seems like we keep abandoning the run, even when it's working. And obviously that doesn't go well. Like after they scored their 2nd TD and drew within 3 points. We come out in empty backfield and big surprise go 3 and out.

- How many false starts did we have today? Seemed like we had way too many.

- Venturi was pretty critical of Leonard in the 2nd half, especially on Kamara's 2nd TD. He said that rather than fill the hole Leonard basically moved out of the way which turned a 3 yard gain to a 16 yard td. Anyone watching the game notice that?

CletusPyle 10-29-2023 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 281054)
Because Sam freaking sucks. We can lose just as well with Minshew.

No. More. Sam.

No, we will win more meaningless games with Minshew!

omahacolt 10-29-2023 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 281055)
I had to drive home this afternoon, so I was only able to watch the first half but listened to the 2nd half while driving.

- Our defense was horrible today. I know we have some guys out, but just a terrible performance against (at least up to this point in the season) a below average offense. If we don't get Brents back soon then it's probably not going to be any better.

- Agree on the play calling. Seems like we keep abandoning the run, even when it's working. And obviously that doesn't go well. Like after they scored their 2nd TD and drew within 3 points. We come out in empty backfield and big surprise go 3 and out.

- How many false starts did we have today? Seemed like we had way too many.

- Venturi was pretty critical of Leonard in the 2nd half, especially on Kamara's 2nd TD. He said that rather than fill the hole Leonard basically moved out of the way which turned a 3 yard gain to a 16 yard td. Anyone watching the game notice that?

leonard avoids contact a lot. he is done as a football player. it is over and he needs to be cut

rm1369 10-29-2023 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 281040)
here are mine


1) ballard has built a bad team. once again. we have cap space. once again. his inability to or unwillingness to use his resources to help the team is maddening.

2) leonard is done. this dude needs to be benched and/or cut. his ability and effort is garbage. be done with it. i am looking forward to him not being on the team

3) grover is good. buckner is really good. everyone else is just a body. paye is a good player. ebukam is as well. but they are role players. not difference makers. dayo gets a lot of hype but he is just hype. fine guy to have but he will never be a buckner. we have to get some pass rushers

4) our corner depth is garbage and we knew this. ballard knew this. baker and brown should never see snaps outside of special teams. baker should't even be on the team. major fail from ballard.

5) minshew is terrible in the pocket. just loses his mind if things get shitty. i am almost at the point that i am wanting ehlinger. a vet backup qb just cant turn the ball over this much. but he is a backup so i don't care all that much. season is over anyway,

6) colts can't play at home. i blame the fans. we have always had one of the worst fanbases in the league. lucas oil stadium really showcases how our fans are shit. there is no home field advantage.

7) how did brown not get benched? bradley should be fired for starting him after the half.

8) taylor was killing it and then we stop giving him the ball. fuck you steichen. moss is a fine backup but let taylor play. he shouldn't be on the bench so much

9) really starting to love downs. that kid can play.

10) outside of 1 wr. we need to go all defense in the draft. we have to get some pass rushers. it has to happen. we have no playmakers on d outside of buckner

Spot on. Ballard’s excuse for the holes he routinely leaves in the roster is gone. They have their QB. He needs to put together a full fucking team next year.

Leonard is playing worse than a JAG. Ballard has let better LBs walk. I see no value in him. He’s done.

I’m content with the offensive skill player talent. WR could be better, but they somehow have to solve DE. Especially if they are keeping Bradley’s scheme. They have complimentary pieces, no difference makers. #1 needs to be DE or CB unless the value is just off the charts at WR.

CletusPyle 10-29-2023 07:43 PM

Kirk Cousins out for the season with an achilles tear, would they be interested in Minshew, what could we get for him?

Oldcolt 10-29-2023 07:49 PM

I agree about Leonard but think it had to play out this way. He was owed a chance to play for what he has meant to this team. Be nice if he recognized he was done but there is so much money involved that even if he did he wouldn’t do anything about it. I’m hoping the Colts and he can come to some agreement about buying him out and letting him retire gracefully.

Thorgrim 10-29-2023 08:15 PM

The Tony Brown situation is a bit of a conundrum. Tony Brown is not a good football player and should never take the field. Every time Tony Brown takes the field the colts chance of winning drops precipitously. Every time Tony Brown takes the field the coaches send the message that bad play has no consequences and if you are a backup you will never be more than a backup. Is this acceptable?Well that depends on what's most important to you. One might conclude that the playoffs are a pipe dream and team morale is an acceptable casualty in the pursuit of a higher draft pick by tanking. Letting Tony Brown play is an excellent step towards tanking. On the other hand if you are an adherent of the losing breeds losing philosophy and that bad play should never be rewarded under any circumstances you don't hesitate to shitcan Tony Brown by benching him if not cutting him. I'm so damn frustrated with this team right now that I can't decide what is the best approach. I'd love to know how Irsay and Co. feel about the situation. At least I don't have to wait for more than 7 days to find out.

Dewey 5 10-29-2023 08:43 PM

Time for Ballard to go. Done with him

CletusPyle 10-29-2023 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 281074)
Time for Ballard to go. Done with him

I think he is the Donnie Walsh of the NFL and will never build a championship calibre team here!

Racehorse 10-29-2023 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Thorgrim (Post 281071)
The Tony Brown situation is a bit of a conundrum. Tony Brown is not a good football player and should never take the field. Every time Tony Brown takes the field the colts chance of winning drops precipitously. Every time Tony Brown takes the field the coaches send the message that bad play has no consequences and if you are a backup you will never be more than a backup. Is this acceptable?Well that depends on what's most important to you. One might conclude that the playoffs are a pipe dream and team morale is an acceptable casualty in the pursuit of a higher draft pick by tanking. Letting Tony Brown play is an excellent step towards tanking. On the other hand if you are an adherent of the losing breeds losing philosophy and that bad play should never be rewarded under any circumstances you don't hesitate to shitcan Tony Brown by benching him if not cutting him. I'm so damn frustrated with this team right now that I can't decide what is the best approach. I'd love to know how Irsay and Co. feel about the situation. At least I don't have to wait for more than 7 days to find out.

Tony Brown is a special teams player. He would not be playing defensive snaps if it were not for Isaiah Rodgers being a moron, Flowers and Brents getting hurt, and Baker playing like ass last week.

apballin 10-29-2023 09:16 PM

A season that showed early signs of hope has quickly gone off the rails

Steichen does a lot of good things but at times he turns into Frank Reich

Same with Minshew he goes from Phillip rivers to Matt Ryan

That turnover was huge… unnecessary…. And Carson Wentz dumb

CletusPyle 10-29-2023 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 281082)
A season that showed early signs of hope has quickly gone off the rails

Steichen does a lot of good things but at times he turns into Frank Reich

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ChoppedWood 10-29-2023 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 281087)

Makes me physically ill

Chromeburn 10-29-2023 11:27 PM

We miss Grover. Don’t have anyone that can play the run like him. It all started there and was a chain reaction. Saints oline was pushing them around. Safeties come down. They throw over the top. And they’re decimated at corner. You can’t expect your 5th 6th corner to hold up.

But this was never a playoff year, it’s a rebuilding year. I think everyone got excited after a few wins, and they are competitive if compleatly healthy. But they aren’t right now.

CletusPyle 10-30-2023 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 281093)
We miss Grover. Don’t have anyone that can play the run like him. It all started there and was a chain reaction. Saints oline was pushing them around. Safeties come down. They throw over the top. And they’re decimated at corner. You can’t expect your 5th 6th corner to hold up.

But this was never a playoff year, it’s a rebuilding year. I think everyone got excited after a few wins, and they are competitive if compleatly healthy. But they aren’t right now.

I was fine trying to make the playoffs with AR, probably finishing 7-9 or 8-8, he gets tons of experience and we get a middle of the pack draft order. But after losing him for the season and dropping these two home games I see no point to this season now. If someone would want Minshew before the trade deadline and you can get some young DB or decent draft pick for next season, I would do it! It sucks, but this season is lost, a total fucking waste!

Ironshaft 10-30-2023 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 281105)
I was fine trying to make the playoffs with AR, probably finishing 7-9 or 8-8, he gets tons of experience and we get a middle of the pack draft order. But after losing him for the season and dropping these two home games I see no point to this season now. If someone would want Minshew before the trade deadline and you can get some young DB or decent draft pick for next season, I would do it! It sucks, but this season is lost, a total fucking waste!

Alas, I agree with you 100%. The Colts are not going anywhere this season.

I am not nearly as down on our roster build as some here. As Chrome said, you cannot compete with your 5th and 6th CBs covering their 1st and 2nd WR. That is not a winning combo.

Grover is one of the best run defenders in the league and missing him kills. His fault; he was stupid and he deserves to be punished based on the league rules but his missing presence was felt.

This roster is not nearly as bad as the Saints found holes in them and not nearly as good as some of their best play. But, with a quality QB and healthy? I think this roster can compete with anyone.

albany ed 10-30-2023 08:50 AM

I agree, the Colts will go nowhere close to playoffs this year. It's a young team, but has too many holes especially in depth to be a contender. As for AR, the book is still out on him. I need to see more before I can feel confident in him being a franchise QB and even if he's solid, his durability is still in question. Colts definitely need help at WR, OL, pass rushing DE and DB.

Brylok 10-30-2023 11:04 AM

Haven't beaten the Saints since September of 2007.

Chromeburn 10-30-2023 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 281105)
I was fine trying to make the playoffs with AR, probably finishing 7-9 or 8-8, he gets tons of experience and we get a middle of the pack draft order. But after losing him for the season and dropping these two home games I see no point to this season now. If someone would want Minshew before the trade deadline and you can get some young DB or decent draft pick for next season, I would do it! It sucks, but this season is lost, a total fucking waste!

I think many came to that conclusion after AR looked better than we thought. Most everyone was expecting a rebuilding year before that, but we won a few games early on. But yeah, since AR went down, there isn't much point to the season. We could still win a few more games easily scoring 20 pts a game. Even if they made the playoffs though they would be exposed.

rm1369 10-30-2023 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 281093)
But this was never a playoff year, it’s a rebuilding year. I think everyone got excited after a few wins, and they are competitive if compleatly healthy. But they aren’t right now.

Should next year be another rebuilding year? Or should the team put winning over roster development?

ukcolt 10-30-2023 06:12 PM

The roster when fully healthy i believe has the chance to compete with anyone, especially with another year under their belt.

QB's well Richardson was looking like he was developing just fine, Minshew as a backup is a great guy to have on the roster to fill in for a few games, but is not someone anyone is thinking is the long term solution.

RB's well Moss has been outstanding and Taylor has now stepped and proven he is the man. Not convinced by Sermon, our rookie Hull looks like he could be the third down back.

TE's i am happy with the group as a whole. Woods, Ogletree, Mallory, Granson are a good young group, who i don't feel have been utilised anywhere near enough. I can't see Mo Alie-Cox being on the roster next year.

WR's Downs has been better than most thought he would be, Pittman although not a truly outstanding No.1 is a good player in the group. Pierce i am still ok with, but after that i don't trust anyone.

We still need Oline depth, although Raimann has played well, Fries also. French did ok when replacing Kelly for a few games. The experience that Freeland has gained is great, he has had his struggles, but hasn't been horrific and should be a great swing tackle going forward. But that is only 7 guys.

I thought the Dline has been fairly good against the run, Grover Stewart has thrown a huge spanner into that though. He was superb until his suspension. In my opinion we were rushing the passer at as high a rate as i can remember since the days of Freeney and Mathis, although clearly we don't have anyone of that ilk at rushing the passer.

Franklin and Speed have played as well as possibly any pair of LB's in the league, but Shaq is really struggling to come back from his injuries. Depending upon what Franklin's injury status is, Shaq might have a much bigger role going forward this year and has a chance to prove himself again.

Our CB's were a real cause for concern at the beginning of the season, but i have been quite happy with how Dallis Flowers and Juju Brents have played, and Kenny Moore has been really good in the slot. Add in the stupidity of Rogers and then this could easily have been a position of strength for next season, and might still be. Jones, Baker and Brown have struggled, but that doesn't mean this year's experience could hopefully mean that come next year the depth is actually as strong as it has ever been.

The safeties, Blackmon has played well, i am not sure that Thomas has played as well as last year. And then Nick Cross has done next to nothing, but hopefully he is someone with the raw talent who can step up.

Overall there are a lot of young pieces going forward who are gaining experience this year, which bodes well for the coming seasons. We are a very young roster.

PS Matt Gay has been a special signing.

bigalbert 10-31-2023 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 281064)
Kirk Cousins out for the season with an achilles tear, would they be interested in Minshew, what could we get for him?


I don’t know that the Vikings are interested in a guy who averages 2 or more to’s a game. Heard Big Ben flew into Minneapolis yesterday


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Colts And Orioles 10-31-2023 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 281181)



The roster when fully healthy i believe has the chance to compete with anyone, especially with another year under their belt.

QB's well Richardson was looking like he was developing just fine, Minshew as a backup is a great guy to have on the roster to fill in for a few games, but is not someone anyone is thinking is the long term solution.

RB's well Moss has been outstanding and Taylor has now stepped and proven he is the man. Not convinced by Sermon, our rookie Hull looks like he could be the third down back.

TE's i am happy with the group as a whole. Woods, Ogletree, Mallory, Granson are a good young group, who i don't feel have been utilised anywhere near enough. I can't see Mo Alie-Cox being on the roster next year.

WR's Downs has been better than most thought he would be, Pittman although not a truly outstanding No.1 is a good player in the group. Pierce i am still ok with, but after that i don't trust anyone.

We still need Oline depth, although Raimann has played well, Fries also. French did ok when replacing Kelly for a few games. The experience that Freeland has gained is great, he has had his struggles, but hasn't been horrific and should be a great swing tackle going forward. But that is only 7 guys.

I thought the Dline has been fairly good against the run, Grover Stewart has thrown a huge spanner into that though. He was superb until his suspension. In my opinion we were rushing the passer at as high a rate as i can remember since the days of Freeney and Mathis, although clearly we don't have anyone of that ilk at rushing the passer.

Franklin and Speed have played as well as possibly any pair of LB's in the league, but Shaq is really struggling to come back from his injuries. Depending upon what Franklin's injury status is, Shaq might have a much bigger role going forward this year and has a chance to prove himself again.

Our CB's were a real cause for concern at the beginning of the season, but i have been quite happy with how Dallis Flowers and Juju Brents have played, and Kenny Moore has been really good in the slot. Add in the stupidity of Rogers and then this could easily have been a position of strength for next season, and might still be. Jones, Baker and Brown have struggled, but that doesn't mean this year's experience could hopefully mean that come next year the depth is actually as strong as it has ever been.

The safeties, Blackmon has played well, i am not sure that Thomas has played as well as last year. And then Nick Cross has done next to nothing, but hopefully he is someone with the raw talent who can step up.

Overall there are a lot of young pieces going forward who are gaining experience this year, which bodes well for the coming seasons. We are a very young roster.

PS. Matt Gay has been a special signing.




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This is very detailed and informative ...... you're a knowledgeable fan, you British bastard.

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