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albany ed 12-20-2022 11:50 AM

In the upcoming draft
 
Do you think the Colts should trade up and draft a QB?

If yes, who do you think they should target?

Dewey 5 12-20-2022 12:35 PM

They may not need to trade up

YDFL Commish 12-20-2022 02:11 PM

As it stands right now, of the QB needy teams that have a 1st rd pick, we have the ability to get the 2nd QB drafted.

I'm predicting that the Texans will take Bryce Young at #1.

The problem being that none of the QB's in this draft appear to be of the caliber of a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert etc.

Lov2fish 12-20-2022 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 254927)
As it stands right now, of the QB needy teams that have a 1st rd pick, we have the ability to get the 2nd QB drafted.

I'm predicting that the Texans will take Bryce Young at #1.

The problem being that none of the QB's in this draft appear to be of the caliber of a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert etc.

This is true, but there are a couple who's ceiling matches those guys play. With the state of our QB room how do we not take that chance on one of them? If it fails or the potential is not there, we do it again next year, and the next year etc. This franchise is not going anywhere without "HIM" under center.

Hoopsdoc 12-20-2022 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 254927)
As it stands right now, of the QB needy teams that have a 1st rd pick, we have the ability to get the 2nd QB drafted.

I'm predicting that the Texans will take Bryce Young at #1.

The problem being that none of the QB's in this draft appear to be of the caliber of a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert etc.

That’s assuming none of the other teams who want a qb trade up.

omahacolt 12-20-2022 03:57 PM

i think we will stay put


i am hoping for Levis right now. that may change

rcubed 12-20-2022 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 254931)
This is true, but there are a couple who's ceiling matches those guys play. With the state of our QB room how do we not take that chance on one of them? If it fails or the potential is not there, we do it again next year, and the next year etc. This franchise is not going anywhere without "HIM" under center.

except dont you need to give a rookie QB a bit of time to adjust to the league, find himself, and settle in? Unless you think you have a cant-miss-QB like manning or luck you shouldnt make that determination after one season unless he's a colossal fuck up.

Lov2fish 12-20-2022 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 254943)
except dont you need to give a rookie QB a bit of time to adjust to the league, find himself, and settle in? Unless you think you have a cant-miss-QB like manning or luck you shouldnt make that determination after one season unless he's a colossal fuck up.

Yes, I meant in general, if it doesn't work, do it again. I didn't necessarily mean the next year. Should have clarified, my bad.

apballin 12-20-2022 05:21 PM

Got a gut feeling it’ll be Levis

Lov2fish 12-20-2022 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 254963)
Got a gut feeling it’ll be Levis

I won't be mad. His ceiling is a Josh Allen type QB, his floor is Ryan Leaf. Depends on how well we develop him. He is mentally and physically tough.

Spike 12-20-2022 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 254985)
I won't be mad. His ceiling is a Josh Allen type QB, his floor is Ryan Leaf. Depends on how well we develop him. He is mentally and physically tough.

If he is mentally tough, he won't turn into Ryan Leaf.

YDFL Commish 12-20-2022 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 254985)
I won't be mad. His ceiling is a Josh Allen type QB, his floor is Ryan Leaf. Depends on how well we develop him. He is mentally and physically tough.

Levis is way more mentally prepared to be an NFL QB than Leaf ever was. My floor is Jay Cutler.

I believe that we take Levis. Remember Herbert had questions when he came out, because he was never named captain and wasn't super outgoing. He has certainly disproved those thoughts.

Lov2fish 12-20-2022 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 254986)
If he is mentally tough, he won't turn into Ryan Leaf.

With the current staff he could end up in the fetal position on the floor of the weight room by game 4

Lov2fish 12-20-2022 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 254987)
Levis is way more mentally prepared to be an NFL QB than Leaf ever was. My floor is Jay Cutler.

I believe that we take Levis. Remember Herbert had questions when he came out, because he was never named captain and wasn't super outgoing. He has certainly disproved those thoughts.

That's a pretty fair floor. Damn, I always forget about Cutler. Leaf had all the talent in the world. The 8 inches between the ears done him in.

JAFF 12-20-2022 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 254987)
Levis is way more mentally prepared to be an NFL QB than Leaf ever was. My floor is Jay Cutler.

I believe that we take Levis. Remember Herbert had questions when he came out, because he was never named captain and wasn't super outgoing. He has certainly disproved those thoughts.

I’ve got a 9 year old grand son who is more together than Ryan Leaf. I hope Levis is more mature than the kid with the Jets

Puck 12-21-2022 12:06 AM

Hendon Hooker. Look up his stats compare them to the other and then remember he didn't play a whole season. THEN watch the kid on youtube.

Don't care how old he is. No idea why a yr in age older means anything in the NFL

I'm not posting links google it fuckers

Dam8610 12-21-2022 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 254909)
Do you think the Colts should trade up and draft a QB?

If yes, who do you think they should target?

I'm hoping they end up with the #3 pick and don't have to trade up, and I'm also hoping C.J. Stroud will be available at that pick.

Dam8610 12-21-2022 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 255001)
Hendon Hooker. Look up his stats compare them to the other and then remember he didn't play a whole season. THEN watch the kid on youtube.

Don't care how old he is. No idea why a yr in age older means anything in the NFL

I'm not posting links google it fuckers

Way too inconsistent and inaccurate. Basically take Levis's issues, increase all of them by 10x, and you have Hendon Hooker.

Dam8610 12-21-2022 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 254987)
Levis is way more mentally prepared to be an NFL QB than Leaf ever was. My floor is Jay Cutler.

I believe that we take Levis. Remember Herbert had questions when he came out, because he was never named captain and wasn't super outgoing. He has certainly disproved those thoughts.

How do you look past the accuracy and ball security issues? I understand he has the arm, but JaMarcus Russell still has the best pure arm I've ever seen on a QB. It takes a lot more than that to succeed in the NFL.

omahacolt 12-21-2022 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 255001)
Hendon Hooker. Look up his stats compare them to the other and then remember he didn't play a whole season. THEN watch the kid on youtube.

Don't care how old he is. No idea why a yr in age older means anything in the NFL

I'm not posting links google it fuckers

i don't mind taking Hooker later. kind of a washington rg3 and cousins draft.

YDFL Commish 12-21-2022 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 255005)
How do you look past the accuracy and ball security issues? I understand he has the arm, but JaMarcus Russell still has the best pure arm I've ever seen on a QB. It takes a lot more than that to succeed in the NFL.

From what I've seen of Levis is his accuracy issues stem from poor footwork. His accuracy is not that bad though, after all he's completed better than 65% of his passes the last 2 seasons.

One thing I do like about him is his willingness to stand tall in a dirty pocket and deliver the ball.

Lov2fish 12-21-2022 03:02 PM

Hooker is meh, and Stroud is a no. Damn endorsing him should be a sure sign he sucks, not to mention he does suck.

I would draft Richardson before either one of those QB's.

Levis is the most NFL ready this year, and he needs some work. There are no can't miss generational QB's coming out in the next few years.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1605410774444544001

Dam8610 12-22-2022 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 255054)
From what I've seen of Levis is his accuracy issues stem from poor footwork. His accuracy is not that bad though, after all he's completed better than 65% of his passes the last 2 seasons.

One thing I do like about him is his willingness to stand tall in a dirty pocket and deliver the ball.

That just screams Carson Wentz 2.0. I'll be all about Levis developing if the Colts draft him, but I'd much rather have one of the near finished products in Young or Stroud.

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255060)
Hooker is meh, and Stroud is a no. Damn endorsing him should be a sure sign he sucks, not to mention he does suck.

I would draft Richardson before either one of those QB's.

Levis is the most NFL ready this year, and he needs some work. There are no can't miss generational QB's coming out in the next few years.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1605410774444544001

What's your issue with Stroud, honestly? I couldn't find a weakness in his game. He has the arm to make any NFL throw, his ball placement, accuracy, and touch on throws is almost always on point, he was making NFL caliber reads in the games I watched, and he uses his athleticism exactly the way a QB should, to escape pressure and keep his eyes downfield to find the open receiver that results from that, only running when he has no other option.

"He sucks" is a baseless opinion unless you actually bring some evidence to back it up.

Lov2fish 12-22-2022 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 255106)
That just screams Carson Wentz 2.0. I'll be all about Levis developing if the Colts draft him, but I'd much rather have one of the near finished products in Young or Stroud.



What's your issue with Stroud, honestly? I couldn't find a weakness in his game. He has the arm to make any NFL throw, his ball placement, accuracy, and touch on throws is almost always on point, he was making NFL caliber reads in the games I watched, and he uses his athleticism exactly the way a QB should, to escape pressure and keep his eyes downfield to find the open receiver that results from that, only running when he has no other option.

"He sucks" is a baseless opinion unless you actually bring some evidence to back it up.

He bails on the play at the first sign of a rush. His accuracy to me is just meh. Nobody denies his athleticism, gifted. He overreacts to situational football and adlibs far to often. When it works great, when it doesn't (Most of the time) it is horrible. Defensive coordinators will have him figured out in no team and feast on his mistakes and poor football IQ.

albany ed 12-22-2022 05:40 PM

CJ Stroud may be the most NFL ready QB in the history of Ohio State. But, given their track record, that's not saying much.

HoosierinFL 12-22-2022 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255060)
Hooker is meh, and Stroud is a no. Damn endorsing him should be a sure sign he sucks, not to mention he does suck.

I would draft Richardson before either one of those QB's.

Levis is the most NFL ready this year, and he needs some work. There are no can't miss generational QB's coming out in the next few years.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1605410774444544001

Yep, Levis is my #1 and Richardson is #2. I wouldn’t touch any of the other qbs in this draft. Penix maybe in the 3rd round.

CletusPyle 12-22-2022 08:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q49qoReWWOY

I don't like him not playing in the Music City Bowl against Iowa...I realize he doesn't want to get hurt before the draft, but I would like him better if he went out there and competed with his teammates!

Dam8610 12-22-2022 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255141)
He bails on the play at the first sign of a rush. His accuracy to me is just meh. Nobody denies his athleticism, gifted. He overreacts to situational football and adlibs far to often. When it works great, when it doesn't (Most of the time) it is horrible. Defensive coordinators will have him figured out in no team and feast on his mistakes and poor football IQ.

Are you talking about his tendency to escape pressure and roll out? How do you see that as a negative? He's literally creating passing lanes and yardage. Also, you like Levis but call Stroud's accuracy "meh"? If Stroud's ball placement and accuracy are "meh", Levis's are "disastrous" on that scale. So are many starting NFL QBs. What games of Stroud did you watch? Curious because I'd like to watch them.

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 255151)
CJ Stroud may be the most NFL ready QB in the history of Ohio State. But, given their track record, that's not saying much.

Cal never had a QB the caliber of Aaron Rodgers, until they did.

BCN#1 12-23-2022 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 255001)
Hendon Hooker.


hahaha...he said "Hooker"..... who doesn´t want to have a Hooker? :D

Lov2fish 12-23-2022 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 255164)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q49qoReWWOY

I don't like him not playing in the Music City Bowl against Iowa...I realize he doesn't want to get hurt before the draft, but I would like him better if he went out there and competed with his teammates!

It sucks, but I understand it. He is a projected top 5 pick. A career ending injury, or entering the draft recovering from an injury can hurt his stock, or whether he is drafted at all.

omahacolt 12-23-2022 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255201)
It sucks, but I understand it. He is a projected top 5 pick. A career ending injury, or entering the draft recovering from an injury can hurt his stock, or whether he is drafted at all.

yeah. potentially millions on the line.


it sucks but i get it 100%

TheMugwump 12-24-2022 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 254909)
Do you think the Colts should trade up and draft a QB?

If yes, who do you think they should target?

Absolutely not.

But do they take the best available OT, WR, or DE?

And yeah, if things continue the way they have been, they may have a top-3 pick.

Still, no QB worthy of a top 16 pick this year.

nate505 12-24-2022 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255201)
It sucks, but I understand it. He is a projected top 5 pick. A career ending injury, or entering the draft recovering from an injury can hurt his stock, or whether he is drafted at all.

Yup, And for what, a possible victory in the prestigious Music City Bowl? Guess he'll miss out on that $300 of Bowl swag though.

Dam8610 12-25-2022 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 255299)
Absolutely not.

But do they take the best available OT, WR, or DE?

And yeah, if things continue the way they have been, they may have a top-3 pick.

Still, no QB worthy of a top 16 pick this year.

Bryce Young and CJ Stroud certainly are. Beyond those two I would agree.

JAFF 12-25-2022 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 255165)


Cal never had a QB the caliber of Aaron Rodgers, until they did.

I understand that. But Cal usually cant get the top players because they are Cal. So Oregon, UCLA, USC, Utah kick their ass. Being like Purdue, they have strict guild lines on grades. Every once and awhile an Aaron Rogers drops into their lap. Josh Allen winds up in Wyoming, gets his first chance at better competition, how often does that happen.

My problem with Ohio St, ( other than being assholes from Ohio) is that they play a soft schedule and tend to lose to teams who play a tougher schedule. Is there a successful Qb in the NFL from OSU right now?

Dam8610 12-25-2022 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 255424)
I understand that. But Cal usually cant get the top players because they are Cal. So Oregon, UCLA, USC, Utah kick their ass. Being like Purdue, they have strict guild lines on grades. Every once and awhile an Aaron Rogers drops into their lap. Josh Allen winds up in Wyoming, gets his first chance at better competition, how often does that happen.

My problem with Ohio St, ( other than being assholes from Ohio) is that they play a soft schedule and tend to lose to teams who play a tougher schedule. Is there a successful Qb in the NFL from OSU right now?

Unless you count Fields, who the jury is still out on, no, because OSU isn't historically known for their QBs (whereas, ironically to what you said above, Purdue is). Neither is Alabama, but Tua and Hurts are having some pretty good success right now. That's the point. With college football essentially consolidating itself into powerhouse conferences with super powerhouse schools (like Alabama and OSU), things like that are going to continue happening. School history has never been less important to evaluating a prospect because of the massive consolidation of college football in recent times.

Dewey 5 12-29-2022 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 255374)
Bryce Young and CJ Stroud certainly are. Beyond those two I would agree.

How Stroud preforms against that monstrous Georgia defense will tell us a lot about him.

Lov2fish 12-30-2022 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 255950)
How Stroud preforms against that monstrous Georgia defense will tell us a lot about him.

Yep. I want to see him have a respectable game against a legit "D" If he comes out and plays well against them I would have no quams of him over Levis, but that is a tall order. Levis has taken a talent void team and played them into a bowl game. Not the same numbers he has had in previous years, but he put the team on his back and made guys around him better. Stroud doesn't do that. Watch him when the pocket gets dirty, he panics.

Young, no, just no. Outside his ability to scramble he is not "HIM" He is barely 6ft. if he is even 6"ft and weighs less than 200 pounds. He will get broken in short order. RG3 ring a bell?

Levis biggest knock is his foot work. This is fixable. Other than that he checks the boxes. Has the size, has the talent, has the arm strength, and a brawlers attitude

Puck 12-30-2022 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 255060)
Hooker is meh, and Stroud is a no. Damn endorsing him should be a sure sign he sucks, not to mention he does suck.

I would draft Richardson before either one of those QB's.

Levis is the most NFL ready this year, and he needs some work. There are no can't miss generational QB's coming out in the next few years.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1605410774444544001

Not sure why you say meh

Hooker has better numbers than Young Levis and Richardson. And played less games Who cares if he's a little older. He can still give about 10 years to 35

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...Yards/dir/desc

And you could get him in the 2nd or 3rd round and trade the #1 pick for a future pick and try to get Williams next yr

Colts And Orioles 12-30-2022 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 254909)



Do you think that the Colts should trade up, and draft a QB ???

If yes, who do you think that they should target ???




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I don't know, but it's a good topic for a thread.

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