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ZiaColt 04-27-2018 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 64839)
I would have preferred Smith by a hair, but Nelson is a great pick. Hopefully he's that 10 year pro bowler caliber player on the line the Colts have needed for ages.

Since he's an excellent RB, I hope the Colts can get Guice tomorrow.

as lukewarm as I was about Nelson at #6, it would be a FASCINATING experiment if Hernandez were there at #36 or #37 and Ballard took him.

Nelson and Hernandez on the same offensive line....brutal for opponents

Chromeburn 04-27-2018 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64815)
Meh, pass. Will be some really good options at other positions.

Pass on Michel for me, that bone on bone situation in his knee scares me. Plenty of backs left, Hines, Smith, Ballage, Freeman, GUICE!

I like Jones as well.

GoBigBlue88 04-27-2018 12:04 AM

My feelings on OG at 6 aside, I think Day 2 can be one helluva shopping spree for Ballard.

ZiaColt 04-27-2018 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 64848)
My feelings on OG at 6 aside, I think Day 2 can be one helluva shopping spree for Ballard.

The New York Jets--the gift that keeps on giving

Coltsalr 04-27-2018 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ZiaColt (Post 64814)
Michel didn't but it looks like N. Chubb and R. Jones might

I’m more of a fan of Guice if we decide to go that route.

Chromeburn 04-27-2018 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ZiaColt (Post 64844)
as lukewarm as I was about Nelson at #6, it would be a FASCINATING experiment if Hernandez were there at #36 or #37 and Ballard took him.

Nelson and Hernandez on the same offensive line....brutal for opponents

As ridiculous and unrealistic as that would be, I would actually like to see that on the field and the our oline flat out mauling our division d-lines every year.

ZiaColt 04-27-2018 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 64851)
I’m more of a fan of Guice if we decide to go that route.

If the Browns pass on him I'd think Ballard would be tempted, no doubt--and use the other early pick for defense, maybe. And hope someone also drops farther than they should to #49.

Chromeburn 04-27-2018 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 64841)
Lot of talent left for Day 2 (Minimum 3 of these guys or someone not listed will be ours) :cool:

EDGE - Harold Landry
EDGE - Lorenzo Carter
EDGE - Arden Key
DE - Rasheem Green
DE - Sam Hubbard
DE - Dashawn Hand
DT - Maurice Hurst
ILB - Micah Kiser
ILB - Tegray Scales
S - Justin Reid
CB - Josh Jackson
CB - Carlton Davis
CB - Isaiah Oliver
RB - Derius Guice
RB - Kerryon Johnson
RB - Ronald Jones
RB - Nick Chubb
G - Will Hernandez
G/C - James Daniels
G/T - Conner Williams
OT - Orlando Brown
WR - Christian Kirk
WR - Deon Cain
WR - Courtland Sutton
WR - DJ Chark
TE - Mike Gesicki


Man those extras picks from Buffalo would be very nice right about now. Out of those guys I would love Josh Jackson, Maurice Hurst, and Guice. Secondary picks would be Landry, Green, and Ronald Jones or Connor Williams.

ZiaColt 04-27-2018 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 64853)
As ridiculous and unrealistic as that would be, I would actually like to see that on the field and the our oline flat out mauling our division d-lines every year.

would be fascinating to watch against d-lines built to pressure the passer when the Colts come out and say "sorry, but we'll only be throwing 16 passes today; the rest of the time we'll be running the ball down your esophagus behind the law firm of Kelly, Nelson & Hernandez."

Maybe more realistically, Ballard thinks he can get an OT with potential at #49--O'Neill, Rankin, Crosby, someone like that. And he uses #36 and #37 for RB and defense (in either order)

Racehorse 04-27-2018 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 64715)
Can't help wondering if we had traded back with buf and still got him

Nope. He wasn't making it past 10

Racehorse 04-27-2018 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 64725)
The basement is flooding, perhaps Omaha is there poking his mother ... :cool:

fify

njcoltfan 04-27-2018 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by indycolts2 (Post 64782)
Not sure where Colts stand currently with the 89% of cap that must be spent over a 4 year period. That being said with last years draft, this years draft and the minor FA signings over two years Ballard will have a much better idea as to where he should be investing FA monies and will actually be forced to over the course of the next two off seasons. While I would have liked that difference maker on defense I'm more comfortable with someone coming to my team that is going to be hungry and working their way to the big payday than someone who just got a big payday. I've seen what FA o-linemen did to Luck for 5 years, worked out swell for Luck.

How many of them were 26yr old All Pros ??

indycolts2 04-27-2018 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 64891)
How many of them were 26yr old All Pros ??

Valid point but just like we apparently dont value a G at the #6 pick why would we allow $13 - 15 million of cap to go to a guard when you can get one at so much less who is better and you have him for 5 years now.

albany ed 04-27-2018 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 64853)
As ridiculous and unrealistic as that would be, I would actually like to see that on the field and the our oline flat out mauling our division d-lines every year.

I know many on here feel that the defense needs to be addressed, but the best thing for a defense is not being on the field. Drafting Hernandez and maybe Guice, could give the Colts the ability to sustain long clock eating drives.

omahacolt 04-27-2018 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by albany ed (Post 64902)
I know many on here feel that the defense needs to be addressed, but the best thing for a defense is not being on the field. Drafting Hernandez and maybe Guice, could give the Colts the ability to sustain long clock eating drives.

Every year colts fans want all offense


It is a sickness

rm1369 04-27-2018 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 64903)
Every year colts fans want all offense


It is a sickness

Apparently. The team does not have a single starting quality LB on the roster, no true pass rusher, and big questions in the secondary and people still want more offense

VeveJones007 04-27-2018 08:59 AM

Assuming the Colts doctors sign off, it would be pretty amazing to come out of today with something like:

36) Landry
37) Jefferson
49) Oliver
67) Hurst

But I still expect Ballard to take Sutton at 36 or 37.

rm1369 04-27-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64910)
Assuming the Colts doctors sign off, it would be pretty amazing to come out of today with something like:

36) Landry
37) Jefferson
49) Oliver
67) Hurst

But I still expect Ballard to take Sutton at 36 or 37.

I’d be thrilled with that haul from day 2. I could be talked into adding another OG or OT in the 2nd, but I hope like hell they avoid RB and WR on day 2. With the state of this defense those are simply luxury picks you can’t afford right now.

Thorgrim 04-27-2018 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 64917)
I’d be thrilled with that haul from day 2. I could be talked into adding another OG or OT in the 2nd, but I hope like hell they avoid RB and WR on day 2. With the state of this defense those are simply luxury picks you can’t afford right now.

We have so many holes to fill I’m actually fine with bpa for the most part. Obviously I don’t want them drafting an area that we aren’t hurting in but those spots are few and far between. No way this garbage roster gets fixed in one year anyway. A solid lb is essential though.

njcoltfan 04-27-2018 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by indycolts2 (Post 64901)
Valid point but just like we apparently dont value a G at the #6 pick why would we allow $13 - 15 million of cap to go to a guard when you can get one at so much less who is better and you have him for 5 years now.

Because the Colts could have gotten a dynamic impact player at #6, and gotten a starting guard at #36 or #37. Then your OL would be set for years, and the Colts would have the cornerstone to build the defense around, all without wasting a pick. JMO though.

VeveJones007 04-27-2018 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 64917)
I’d be thrilled with that haul from day 2. I could be talked into adding another OG or OT in the 2nd, but I hope like hell they avoid RB and WR on day 2. With the state of this defense those are simply luxury picks you can’t afford right now.

Another reason why we need to wait on fully evaluating the Nelson pick. If you told me going into the draft that we would end up with this package from rounds 1-3, I would have been elated.

Nelson
Landry
Jefferson
Oliver
Hurst

Chaka 04-27-2018 11:00 AM

A couple of random thoughts from Day 1:

1) Take note that Ballard has succeeded in absolutely locking down any leaks to the media. Prior to the draft, there were no hints that Nelson was going to be picked. All of the "insider" information being circulated in the media suggested the pick would be Smith if Chubb wasn't available. Just keep this in mind the next time you hear a Colt-related rumor purporting to be from an anonymous insider.

2) The Jets justified their trade with the Colts. Sounded like highway robbery at first, but as it turned out it looks like the Jets did pretty well for themselves. Still a great deal for the Colts, of course.

njcoltfan 04-27-2018 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64933)
Another reason why we need to wait on fully evaluating the Nelson pick. If you told me going into the draft that we would end up with this package from rounds 1-3, I would have been elated.

Nelson
Landry
Jefferson
Oliver
Hurst

I'd be very surprised if the Giants pass on Landry, he would be JJP's replacement.

Spike 04-27-2018 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 64934)
A couple of random thoughts from Day 1:

1) Take note that Ballard has succeeded in absolutely locking down any leaks to the media. Prior to the draft, there were no hints that Nelson was going to be picked. All of the "insider" information being circulated in the media suggested the pick would be Smith if Chubb wasn't available. Just keep this in mind the next time you hear a Colt-related rumor purporting to be from an anonymous insider.

2) The Jets justified their trade with the Colts. Sounded like highway robbery at first, but as it turned out it looks like the Jets did pretty well for themselves. Still a great deal for the Colts, of course.

Both teams made out well with the trade. Jets got their QB and the Colts added more 2nd round picks.

VeveJones007 04-27-2018 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 64935)
I'd be very surprised if the Giants pass on Landry, he would be JJP's replacement.

I could easily see them going OL and doubling down on the Barkley pick.

VeveJones007 04-27-2018 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 64934)
A couple of random thoughts from Day 1:

1) Take note that Ballard has succeeded in absolutely locking down any leaks to the media. Prior to the draft, there were no hints that Nelson was going to be picked. All of the "insider" information being circulated in the media suggested the pick would be Smith if Chubb wasn't available. Just keep this in mind the next time you hear a Colt-related rumor purporting to be from an anonymous insider.

2) The Jets justified their trade with the Colts. Sounded like highway robbery at first, but as it turned out it looks like the Jets did pretty well for themselves. Still a great deal for the Colts, of course.

Makes me wonder if the Colts could have gotten more if they traded #3 when they were on the clock. Oh well, it was a good package anyway.

BTW, I'm still pissed Pagano won in Week 17. I think Ballard squeezes NYJ for next year's 1st instead of 2nd if the Jets were moving up to #2 pre-draft.

Chaka 04-27-2018 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 64692)
It’s not that Nelson sucks, its that he’s a guard. There are reasons guards don’t get drafted at 6. Nelson pretty much has to get enshrined in Canton to come close to justifying the pick. And I’m all about protecting Luck - that’s why I was pissed that Ballard did nothing in free agency to address the line. Ballard refused to use an asset that was plentiful (cap space) to address the line and instead used one that is scarce (top 10 pick) to do it. In the process he passed on two great LB prospects. Do you think he can sign a pro bowl LB in free agency next year?

I think this a reasonable argument, and since I've spent a fair amount of time expressing my support of Ballard, I'll make an effort to respond:

1) First, to be fair, its not like he didn't try to address the guard situation in free agency. That was the one position where he made the most concentrated (though unsuccessful) effort to address in free agency (in retrospect, perhaps that should have been a hint to us that Nelson might be the pick). I think he made an effort to sign all of the top available guards, but he was outbid. You can certainly say he should have paid more, but I'm sure we can both agree that there is a limit after which even you wouldn't pay what the free agent guard was asking for. The guards went beyond Ballard's threshold, and he signed Slauson instead - who I'm hopeful will be a serviceable solution for a year or two.

2) If we are to believe what we read, Nelson's skills likely exceed those of the free agent guards that were available.

3) Maybe he wasn't as enthralled with the two LB prospects you are referring to (Smith and Edmunds, presumably) as everyone seems to think. I know that popular speculation had the Colts considering these guys, but I'm not sure how reliable any of this is because its pretty clear that Ballard has really locked down the leaks from the front office. I don't recall reading any reports of sources suggesting that the Colts were seriously interested or planning to take Nelson prior to the draft.

rm1369 04-27-2018 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64933)
Another reason why we need to wait on fully evaluating the Nelson pick. If you told me going into the draft that we would end up with this package from rounds 1-3, I would have been elated.

Nelson
Landry
Jefferson
Oliver
Hurst

Without a doubt when you consider the picks from the trade back it makes the Nelson pick a little easier to stomach. Absolutely great move by Ballard

rm1369 04-27-2018 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64939)
Makes me wonder if the Colts could have gotten more if they traded #3 when they were on the clock. Oh well, it was a good package anyway.

I think absolutely they could have, but I don’t see any way you can fault Ballard for not waiting. He got a premium for the move back and wasn’t at the mercy of an unpredictable draft.

VeveJones007 04-27-2018 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 64950)
I think absolutely they could have, but I don’t see any way you can fault Ballard for not waiting. He got a premium for the move back and wasn’t at the mercy of an unpredictable draft.

Yeah, and it allowed them to focus more scouting resources on players 20-50 on their board.

Chaka 04-27-2018 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64951)
Yeah, and it allowed them to focus more scouting resources on players 20-50 on their board.

He may also have figured he might be able to parlay the #6 pick into even more picks down the road. Imagine if he had accepted the offer that the Bills made to the Bucs for the #7 pick (#12 and two second rounders) - the Colts would have turned their #3 pick into a still-relatively high first rounder (#12) and FIVE second rounders. I doubt he could have extracted that much out of a single draft-day trade for the #3 pick. Presumably, Ballard wanted even more.

Thorgrim 04-27-2018 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 64917)
I’d be thrilled with that haul from day 2. I could be talked into adding another OG or OT in the 2nd, but I hope like hell they avoid RB and WR on day 2. With the state of this defense those are simply luxury picks you can’t afford right now.

I like Landry, Oliver, Jackson, and Hernandez in the second. I agree that rb or wr can be had in the third.

Racehorse 04-27-2018 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 64903)
Every year colts fans want all offense


It is a sickness

I wanted Smith at 6. however, I think our defense played well for three quarters last year, only to tire out because they were on the field so much. Fix our offense and they will be more rested and capable of closing out a game. They key to that is also adding two players on that side today.

VeveJones007 04-27-2018 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 64980)
I wanted Smith at 6. however, I think our defense played well for three quarters last year, only to tire out because they were on the field so much. Fix our offense and they will be more rested and capable of closing out a game. They key to that is also adding two players on that side today.

And they had no pass rush to get off the field on 3rd down. Getting Landry today would be absolutely huge.

rm1369 04-27-2018 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 64952)
He may also have figured he might be able to parlay the #6 pick into even more picks down the road. Imagine if he had accepted the offer that the Bills made to the Bucs for the #7 pick (#12 and two second rounders) - the Colts would have turned their #3 pick into a still-relatively high first rounder (#12) and FIVE second rounders. I doubt he could have extracted that much out of a single draft-day trade for the #3 pick. Presumably, Ballard wanted even more.

This was honestly my expectation from Ballard and one it would be hard for me to argue with given the state of the roster. I was torn between wanting Smith or Edmunds and wanting another trade down.

Racehorse 04-27-2018 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64823)
Just going off of Matt Miller’s rankings, he seen as a 3rd rounder.

Isn't #67 a third rounder? :confused:

Racehorse 04-27-2018 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 64984)
This was honestly my expectation from Ballard and one it would be hard for me to argue with given the state of the roster. I was torn between wanting Smith or Edmunds and wanting another trade down.

Me, too

VeveJones007 04-27-2018 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 65002)
Isn't #67 a third rounder? :confused:

Oops, I read it as "there at 37" instead of 67. I'm not used to the Colts having this many high draft picks.

ZiaColt 04-27-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thorgrim (Post 64957)
I like Landry, Oliver, Jackson, and Hernandez in the second. I agree that rb or wr can be had in the third.

I think if Guice is there you almost have to take him, and give at least some consideration to R Jones too, but I'd rather see the Colts try to get some WR like PSU's Hamilton in a later round than use a 2nd rounder on someone like Sutton--JMO

think after choosing Nelson at #6 Ballard really needs to get at least one impact defensive player in Round 2--if Landry's gone, maybe a CB or LB

or maybe some team's QB-desperate enough for someone like Rudolph to make a trade offer--but off the top of my head, the only other teams w/ multiple 2nd rounders are Cleveland and Buffalo, and they (presumably) already have their QBs

VeveJones007 04-27-2018 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ZiaColt (Post 65005)
I think if Guice is there you almost have to take him, and give at least some consideration to R Jones too, but I'd rather see the Colts try to get some WR like PSU's Hamilton in a later round than use a 2nd rounder on someone like Sutton--JMO

think after choosing Nelson at #6 Ballard really needs to get at least one impact defensive player in Round 2--if Landry's gone, maybe a CB or LB

or maybe some team's QB-desperate enough for someone like Rudolph to make a trade offer--but off the top of my head, the only other teams w/ multiple 2nd rounders are Cleveland and Buffalo, and they (presumably) already have their QBs

FWIW, Matt Miller has the same grade on Guice, Jefferson, Sutton, and Hubbard. He has Jackson, Oliver, and Landry slightly ahead of them. Of course, scheme-fit could make the Colts value them differently.


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