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Dam8610 03-18-2019 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 113663)
Don't be stupid. You know the numbers for RB's that come back anywhere near their former selves in that first year is incredibly small. The overwhelming odds say he won't be very good this next season, so why sign him and waste a spot?

The Colts don't need him to be a starting caliber RB. They need him to be a quality backup who can give 10-15 touches and 15-25 snaps per game of quality production. In that role, he could produce decent numbers.

JAFF 03-18-2019 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113671)
The Colts don't need him to be a starting caliber RB. They need him to be a quality backup who can give 10-15 touches and 15-25 snaps per game of quality production. In that role, he could produce decent numbers.

So you want a guy who's half of what he was for only half the time?

Go get a college guy for less money who can go 100%

Brylok 03-18-2019 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 113629)
Geathers is meeting with Dallas today.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/statu...55436596101125

I saw a tweet somewhere that said he and the cowboys aren't close and it likely won't be happening. I wonder how much money he wants? We need him, but he has missed 22 games in the last 3 years so idk...

Dam8610 03-18-2019 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 113674)
So you want a guy who's half of what he was for only half the time?

Go get a college guy for less money who can go 100%

I don't believe I ever said I want Ajayi, but I understand the logic behind this move in that spending a small amount of the ridiculous amount of cap room the Colts have on getting a decent RB2 and giving the team more draft capital for defense makes sense.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-18-2019 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 113675)
I saw a tweet somewhere that said he and the cowboys aren't close and it likely won't be happening. I wonder how much money he wants? We need him, but he has missed 22 games in the last 3 years so idk...


I imagine it is probably a similar situation as with Desir. Ballard told him to go out and see what he could get on the open market and then hopefully give the Colts the opportunity to match or beat the offer if they want to.

Maniac 03-18-2019 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113671)
The Colts don't need him to be a starting caliber RB. They need him to be a quality backup who can give 10-15 touches and 15-25 snaps per game of quality production. In that role, he could produce decent numbers.

When healthy, yes. Coming off an ACL? Highly unlikely

Dam8610 03-18-2019 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 113684)
When healthy, yes. Coming off an ACL? Highly unlikely

He averaged 5.8 ypc on 70 carries and 9.1 ypr on 10 receptions in 7 regular season games with the Eagles and 4.4 ypc on 42 carries and 11.7 ypr on 6 receptions in 3 playoff games. If he's a little worse than that, it will still be fine for a RB2.

Luck4Reich 03-18-2019 07:44 PM

Get a room you two.:eek:

Maniac 03-18-2019 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 113694)
He averaged 5.8 ypc on 70 carries and 9.1 ypr on 10 receptions in 7 regular season games with the Eagles and 4.4 ypc on 42 carries and 11.7 ypr on 6 receptions in 3 playoff games. If he's a little worse than that, it will still be fine for a RB2.


Yes, we could all look up his pre-injury stats. Most backs aren't anywhere close to their normal pre-injury numbers just after an ACL, and if that is the case, he would be a waste of an active roster spot this season. Maybe he will defy the long odds against him, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Maniac 03-18-2019 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 113695)
Get a room you two.:eek:

Why? Are you wanting to join in if we do?

Dam8610 03-18-2019 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Maniac (Post 113696)
Yes, we could all look up his pre-injury stats. Most backs aren't anywhere close to their normal pre-injury numbers just after an ACL, and if that is the case, he would be a waste of an active roster spot this season. Maybe he will defy the long odds against him, but I wouldn't bet on it.

I'll take 80% of that performance level over 10-15 touches and 15-25 snaps per game from a RB2, which is about the diminishment to expect in performance.

Coltsalr 03-18-2019 08:40 PM

Also, lest we forget, Ballard isn’t Grigson/Polian when it comes to stubbornness/arrogance.

If Ajayi comes to camp and clearly has nothing left, Ballard won’t hesiate to cut bait. He did it with Austin Howard (the free agent that was supposed to be the starting RT) and with Zach Banner (a 4th round rookie).

He would not be shy to fire with Ajayi. So let’s not like if the guy is damaged goods that the Colts are going to be forced to ride or die with Ajayi throughout the season.

Like I said, I currently like our guys. But I’m also fine with a move that doesn’t risk Mack/Hines/Wilkins that also has some upside and no risk.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-19-2019 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 113675)
I saw a tweet somewhere that said he and the cowboys aren't close and it likely won't be happening. I wonder how much money he wants? We need him, but he has missed 22 games in the last 3 years so idk...


The road show continues for Geathers - he is visiting Tampa Bay today.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/statu...33060141301761

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-19-2019 08:43 PM

Raiders are going to do the Raiders thing.

In a move that should shock no one, the Oakland Raiders signed LB Vontaze Burfict to a 1 year deal. The contract could be worth up to $5MM if Burfict achieves all incentives.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...61772584878080


But hey, practices should be interesting with him and Antonio Brown on the same team.

Chaka 03-19-2019 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 113815)
Raiders are going to do the Raiders thing.

In a move that should shock no one, the Oakland Raiders signed LB Vontaze Burfict to a 1 year deal. The contract could be worth up to $5MM if Burfict achieves all incentives.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/sta...61772584878080


But hey, practices should be interesting with him and Antonio Brown on the same team.

What is with the Raiders? Seems like every guy with a checkered history ends up in the Raiders' orbit. And it's not like the strategy has worked for them. But they continue down this road despite numerous coaching, front office, and regime changes (and even ownership changes). The only rationale that I can think of is that they know the bad boy image plays well to their fan base and, since the NFL is after all just a business, it generates tremendous profits even if the on-the-field product isn't all that great.

Brylok 03-19-2019 09:28 PM

AJ McCarron to the Texans

Brylok 03-19-2019 09:33 PM

Clay Matthews to the Rams

Butter 03-19-2019 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaka (Post 113819)
What is with the Raiders? Seems like every guy with a checkered history ends up in the Raiders' orbit. And it's not like the strategy has worked for them. But they continue down this road despite numerous coaching, front office, and regime changes (and even ownership changes). The only rationale that I can think of is that they know the bad boy image plays well to their fan base and, since the NFL is after all just a business, it generates tremendous profits even if the on-the-field product isn't all that great.

Yep, when Burfict was cut my first thought was future Raider material.

Brylok 03-19-2019 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 113809)
The road show continues for Geathers - he is visiting Tampa Bay today.

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/statu...33060141301761

He must be looking to get more pay than he's worth. The perpetually mediocre Bucs won't overpay, either.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-19-2019 10:48 PM

Bears FA OLB Aaron Lynch will visit with the Colts tomorrow. He has already visited with Oakland and Seattle this week.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1108185367126134784

FatDT 03-19-2019 11:04 PM

He's 6'6 and 270 so he's a potential DE.

VeveJones007 03-21-2019 11:41 AM

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Tom Pelissero
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The #Cardinals are signing former #Chargers DT Darius Philon to a two-year, $10 million deal, sources tell me and @RapSheet. He gets $5M fully guaranteed. Max $12M with incentives.
Philon seemed like a good fit on the interior DL and that's not a huge contract. It leads me to think two possibilities:

1) The front office likes the combination of Autry, Hunt, Lewis, Stewart, and Ward.
2) Interior DL could be a target high in the draft and Ballard doesn't want to overcrowd the above depth chart when he's anticipating adding another quality player.

Coltsalr 03-22-2019 04:31 PM

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Colts may not be done adding edge help: Source said they hosted former #Broncos first-rounder Shane Ray. A day after they added pass-rusher Justin Houston.

Coltsalr 03-22-2019 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114256)
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Colts may not be done adding edge help: Source said they hosted former #Broncos first-rounder Shane Ray. A day after they added pass-rusher Justin Houston.

Also to the point that Chris Ballard is not necessarily always drafting choir boys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QV05mGQSVc

Discflinger 03-22-2019 04:55 PM

And the Oscar goes to...

VeveJones007 03-22-2019 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114256)
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Colts may not be done adding edge help: Source said they hosted former #Broncos first-rounder Shane Ray. A day after they added pass-rusher Justin Houston.

Trip was probably planned before the signing. I'm not sure they have a guaranteed roster spot to make the $$ worth it, but maybe Ray's stock is low enough that they can get him on a cheaper deal than I expect.

Dewey 5 03-22-2019 05:09 PM

Not a huge Ray fan. The production doesn't seem to be there for me.

Dam8610 03-22-2019 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 114256)
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Colts may not be done adding edge help: Source said they hosted former #Broncos first-rounder Shane Ray. A day after they added pass-rusher Justin Houston.

One year prove it deal?

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 114261)
Trip was probably planned before the signing. I'm not sure they have a guaranteed roster spot to make the $$ worth it, but maybe Ray's stock is low enough that they can get him on a cheaper deal than I expect.

It's way down with all the injuries.

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 114270)
Not a huge Ray fan. The production doesn't seem to be there for me.

Injuries will do that. So will having 2 top 5 picks in front of you on the depth chart.

Chromeburn 03-22-2019 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 114270)
Not a huge Ray fan. The production doesn't seem to be there for me.

Ditto

I want to see more production if you are playing next to Von Miller. We might be kicking the tires on a lot of guys this off season.

Dam8610 03-22-2019 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 114276)
Ditto

I want to see more production if you are playing next to Von Miller. We might be kicking the tires on a lot of guys this off season.

He had 8 sacks in his second year pre injury. Got injured year 3 and lost his spot to Chubb year 4. I don't really see the fit with the Colts because of the investments Ballard has made at DE, but he may give some team surprising production.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-22-2019 09:04 PM

Detroit signs CB Rashaan Melvin on a one-year, $3.5 million deal.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...51904884871168

VeveJones007 03-22-2019 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 114282)
He had 8 sacks in his second year pre injury. Got injured year 3 and lost his spot to Chubb year 4. I don't really see the fit with the Colts because of the investments Ballard has made at DE, but he may give some team surprising production.

Yeah, he was a guy I considered before UFA started. Just not sure there’s a spot unless it’s really cheap/incentive laden and he wins a job in training camp. I bet there’s a better offer for him at some point.

VeveJones007 04-02-2019 04:26 PM

Irsay had this to say at the owner meetings last week:

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"I know he (Ballard) really, really wanted to bring the player in. When the number got to a certain thing with the agent, he was like, 'I'm out. I just can't do it. Can't live with myself if I do it."
That has to be Landon Collins, right? Sure, the Smiths got overpaid to some degree, but wouldn't Collins be the guy he would go hard after?

omahacolt 04-02-2019 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115271)
Irsay had this to say at the owner meetings last week:



That has to be Landon Collins, right? Sure, the Smiths got overpaid to some degree, but wouldn't Collins be the guy he would go hard after?

That would be the best guess

VeveJones007 04-02-2019 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 115291)
That would be the best guess

If that’s the case, it may imply a target position high in the draft that you won’t like.

Luck4Reich 04-02-2019 08:24 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ind...amp/3345576002

Safety depth.

FatDT 04-02-2019 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 115297)
If that’s the case, it may imply a target position high in the draft that you won’t like.

There’s no Landon Collins in this draft.

Coltsalr 04-02-2019 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 115308)
There’s no Landon Collins in this draft.

I feel like both Abram and Gardner-Johnson could potentially develop into similar players.

VeveJones007 04-02-2019 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 115308)
There’s no Landon Collins in this draft.

Rapp is right up Ballard’s alley. Better than Collins in coverage. Good hands. Good coming downhill, just not as great as Collins in that regard. Ballard loves turnovers and Rapp would help there.

Abram is another good option. This defense could use a bullet like him.

Discflinger 04-02-2019 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 115301)

Another great low risk move. Keep churning it, Ballard.


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