Now that was funny!:D

I mostly put this game on Jacoby Brissett, tbh. Yes, Pagano deserves a lot of heat. But Brissett couldn't outplay Joe Webb, missed wide-open receivers again, etc. He's just not sharp enough to be a QB1.

How did he not out play Joe Webb?

Missed TY Hilton for wide open TD (took a sack), missed Hilton again at the end in OT, generally just did the same shit he's been doing last few weeks. Whereas Webb made a downfield throw to win it.

Come on man.... we all know you dont like him and thats fair but he didn't get outplayed by Webb. The TY pass was more than catchable. TY took his eyes off the ball and knew it was his fault. Wasn't the greatest weather to be trying to make many throws .... just sayin....He made a great play fake on the 2 put conversion and threw a good pass. He actually threw a TD pass Webb did not.
Webb was 2 of 6 for 35 yards and an INT. BTW his one pass at the end of the game was for 34 yards. So he passed for 1 yard besides that.

Brissett actually did a few nice things today. He was only sacked once because he got rid of the ball instead of holding it. The one sack is because he did hold it too long. His read option plays were good and I will give credit to Chud for calling them today. One of the better game planes Chud has called in a long long time.

Brissett may not be a starting QB yet but you are way too hard on him. I think he has a lot of talent and could be very good with a better scheme and of course better coaching.

Brissett will never be really good. He is too indecisive to be successful. Misses way too many plays.

Brissett is not a starting QB. He could be a better backup QB though in a better offense with a decent offensive line. These shitty coaches don't put him in good situations or have receivers run many shorter routes to really help the kid out.

With good coaching he could be

"Congratulations, you know. We're really, really proud". - Chuck Pagano

I doubt it. Not sure why you are so confident he could be

Wait, so you're putting it on Hilton that Brissett threw a pass 3 yards behind Hilton? A pass that probably goes for 20+ if he leads his receiver?

Brissett is bad, dude. Sample size of throws has proven it.

You're picking that one pass that was behind him but catchable in horrible weather as a reason to come down on him this hard?

Why are you bashing him anyway? You have found a problem in your mind.... what is your solution to this problem? Would you rather have Tolzein? Who else would you put in there?

I'm not sure what you give him a hard time. Would you rather have Tolzien?

He's black

I'm bashing him because he's the biggest reason Colts have lost last 2 games.

No, Tolzien isn't a better option. Brissett is the option that lets you lose by the least. Doesn't mean he's not a liability.

How much blame do you put on the coaching staff for not putting him in better situations?

Yes, he misses some throws and holds the ball too long at times. He's a 3rd string QB that was forced into the starting role on a bad team with a bad offensive line and a horrible coaching staff.

He needs to develop and these coaches are not helping him do that. They are making it harder for him to do so.

How about Vinny hits a FG and we win.... he missed 2 today.... . How about the fact that the Colts were down in the 4th quarter and he brought them back with a very good drive and a TD pass to tie it.... How about a terrible OPI call on the 2pt conversion that would have won the game?

This game was not at all on Brissett. Not at all. Did he make some bad plays? Sure... but there were plenty of bad plays out there.

You dont like him we get it. Not sure why you get so wound up about it .... he's easily the best option we have.

To be fair some of it is on Brisset, but there is plenty of blame to go around.

How many mistakes do you remember? the pass behind TY that he still had in his hand... OK.... if that's the worst he did then fine....

Yea he doesnt see the whole field, but Ill be honest... I think maybe that is how he is being coached... Call the play and you have 2 reads.... then he has to run... He doesnt have time to go through the entire progression

He didn't turn the ball over, he was only sacked one time when he got caught from behind ....on a long developing play with no open receivers....


Is he a franchise QB? No but getting this upset over a back up QB is ridiculous

Manning was indecisive his first year as a starter. Remember fans calling him "happy feet Manning"? Manning left plays on the field too.

Obviously, Brissett isn't projected to have anywhere near that level of success ultimately, but to say he'll never be anything beyond a journeyman backup is selling him short. He seems driven and that he cares enough to be successful, rather than just happy to be on an NFL roster. I think learning from a good coaching staff, running an offense that plays to his strengths, and given better receivers than Moncrief, Aiken, or some clown wearing number 43 would all lead to him being a legit starting-caliber quarterback. Getting rid of the ball and getting though his progressions are growing pains of most rookie QB's.

I don't think it would really matter but no. Brissett is young and tough. Would rather watch him.

I don't give him a hard time. I just judge him for his play and it isn't good too often. And I don't think it is entirely scheme related.

Nobody is upset

People said a lot of dumb shit about manning. Not sure how that is relevant.

Brissett has the size, arm and accuracy needed to be a starter. I don't see him ever having the decisiveness to be a quality starter. He doesn't throw to open guys constantly. Doesn't see the rush. And takes sacks instead of throwing the ball away.

I don't see that being coached out of him.

Perhaps beat it out of him ? :cool:

Your last point could easily be coached out of him.... well it should be easy enough to coach.... I thought he did much better on that today honestly

Decisiveness comes from knowing the system and trusting that your receiver will be where the play says he will be. From repeated reps of the same routes over and over again in the offseason. I'd hate for him to be married to a bad offense like this, especially since we all know it is changing to something else ASAP.

I mean, I'm just telling you: he has missed at least 3 wide open TDs the last 2 weeks. I agree he has QB1 level skills. I agree Chud doesn't put him in best position to succeed.

But it doesn't change the fact that he routinely leaves 7-14 PPG on the field, and earlier this season, was often gifting 7 the other way.

He can't process the game in real time. It's just the reality of his game.

I think it's premature to project his potential at this point. Besides the points made re coaching and scheme he didn't have the off season to prepare....this is all OTJ for a 23 year old. I think despite the mistakes he makes in each game (and yes some of them have cost us games) what he has accomplished given the extraordinary circumstances is really remarkable. Fortunate for us he has a few years on this rookie contract and he's a very good backup QB for now. I don't mind having him back up andrew at all next year.

I can agree with all of that.


I think AV lost the game today... bad weather was a factor of course. I would have never guessed he would miss that last FG. Thought for sure we won when he kicked it....

Hard to blame a kicker in a foot of snow

Easier said than done. Some dudes it never goes away.

I could be wrong but I don't see it. The dude is very slow processing the field. Every week

Not if you are puck

What has he accomplished?

With the exception of the first Jags game he's kept us competitive in all the games he's played in....obviously the Rams beat down was on Tolzein. As I said he has also cost us games with Q4 pick 6's. For a rookie QB with a shit coach and a shit scheme and zero off season to learn AND relative to Plan B (more Tolzein) keeping us competitive is quite an accomplishment I think. I actually tend to think he will be a very good back up over his career but my point is it's premature to label him yet. Time will tell and given the status of his contract we have time to see what his ceiling might be.

He has more career wins than Painter

I think you could argue the defense has kept the Colts competitive in games far more than Brissett. There's a reason where 7-10 points feels like an insurmountable lead anymore.

I agree that he's faced extraordinary circumstances, but we're not seeing a rookie wall. We're seeing a kid who just doesn't understand how to process the game. IMO, that's one of those things you either have or you don't. QBs can improve on little things, but if you don't even have a basic concept of going hot, you're probably not going to improve on much.

Perhaps. I just haven't seen enough to have any confidence in that assessment. Time will tell AND since there is no post season for us he will have plenty of time to learn under a new regime. :)

It is sad that we have had more posts after the game than during it.

Why?

I generally dislike posting during the game

You could use that excuse for everyone then.

He is arguably the best kicker in history. I know it wasn't easy but He practices and I'm sure he did in the conditions today. He has had a history of bad kicks in that stadium according g to the announcers. The team cleared the field pretty well for him. He has made plenty in the snow before.

He should e made that last one