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sherck 03-24-2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 7921)
Honestly, I'll be happy with a lot of draft picks this year. I would have only been happy with 2 or 3 last year.

Hmmm...we seem to have hit oretty well ladt year. Kelly, Haeg are both keepers with Clark and Ridgeway showing a lot of oromise.

Green? We will see. I hope he shows more in year 2.

Morrison? Good depth at the least.

Blythe and Bates? Depth at best but what do you expect out of 7th round draft choices?

I thought we did well last year.

Cheers,

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YDFL Commish 03-24-2017 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 7925)
Hmmm...we seem to have hit oretty well ladt year. Kelly, Haeg are both keepers with Clark and Ridgeway showing a lot of oromise.

Green? We will see. I hope he shows more in year 2.

Morrison? Good depth at the least.

Blythe and Bates? Depth at best but what do you expect out of 7th round draft choices?

I thought we did well last year.

Cheers,

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Isn't Bates with the Pats now?

GoBigBlue88 03-24-2017 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 7925)
Hmmm...we seem to have hit oretty well ladt year. Kelly, Haeg are both keepers with Clark and Ridgeway showing a lot of oromise.

Green? We will see. I hope he shows more in year 2.

Morrison? Good depth at the least.

Blythe and Bates? Depth at best but what do you expect out of 7th round draft choices?

I thought we did well last year.

Cheers,

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It's a low bar if Clark and Ridgeway showed "a lot of promise"...

But what I was actually saying and didn't articulate well: this year, I'd feel good about a number of guys in the first round. Last year, there were only 2-3 guys I realistically wanted at that spot.

sherck 03-28-2017 08:53 AM

Draft report on one of the best 3-4 NT prospects in this year's draft. Most project him as being drafted in the 5th or 6th round.

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Name: Stevie Tu’ikolovatu

School: USC

Position fit: Nose tackle

Stats to know: Ranked third in the nation in run-stop percentage with 36 stops from 286 snaps.

What he does best:
•Decimates plays from the backside, almost impossible to reach block.
•Destroys inside zone when he is given solo opportunities on the front side.
•Violent hands, delivers a powerful strike to win the initial contact on a consistent basis.
•Narrows lanes by consistently driving offensive lineman vertically into the backfield.
•Embarrassed offensive linemen by rag-dolling blockers frequently at the point of attack.
•Able to fight off cut blocks with good hand placement.
•Impressive first step for a 350-pound prospect, gets off the ball well.
•Carried over his strong run defense to Senior Bowl practice where he was one of the top-graded players on a snap-to-snap basis.

Biggest concern:
•Fails to consistently shed without dominating initial contact.
•Struggles against double teams at the point of attack, can play high at times against multiple blockers.
•Finds himself on the deck regularly against double teams.
•Very limited pass-rusher, managed only one knockdown and 13 combined pressures in 2016.
•Weak bull rusher despite strength, gives blockers an opportunity to re-anchor.
•Negligible lateral agility, failed to generate any pressure using finesse moves.
•Gambles occasionally on highlight reel stops, resulting in a loss of gap discipline.
•Lacks upside, will be 26 by the start of the 2017 season.

Player comparison: Brandon Williams, Baltimore Ravens

Base package nose tackle might not be the most coveted position in the NFL, but a two-down run-stuffer is essential for any top defense. Like Williams, Tu’ikolovatu wrecks interior running plays with his strength up front. The USC product has the potential to be equally productive in the pros.

Bottom line: Tu’ikolovatu represents a difficult evaluation. His production against the run is off the charts, but he’s also in his mid-20s and offers nothing rushing the passer. Damon Harrison proves that pure nose tackles can make a major impact, but Tu’ikolovatu is likely to be overlooked in favor of the prospects with higher upside in May. That said, Tu’ikolovatu is probably one of the safer options amongst the defensive line prospects and won’t require a high pick as investment.
Cheers,

Racehorse 03-28-2017 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 7914)
So, as a complete hypothetical, using the draft trade value chart from Walter Football (they are all similar), would you rather have:

1-15 Hassan Riddick ?

---- OR -------

Trade 1-15 and 3-16 for Lions 1-21, 2-21 and 4-21

then

Trade 1-21 for Cowboys 1-28, 3-28

--------------------------------------------

In essence, trading Hassan Riddick for Charles Harris plus

2-21, 3-28, 4-21 while giving away 3-16 ?

Assuming that Charles Harris is available at 1-28 which most mock drafts have him being so.

Interesting question. It all depends on how Ballard and our staff rate the rookies available in the first round.

Cheers,

I know what you're saying, but if this draft class is as deep as people say, wouldn't this be a draft where teams are less likely to package two or more picks for one?

VeveJones007 03-28-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 8178)
I know what you're saying, but if this draft class is as deep as people say, wouldn't this be a draft where teams are less likely to package two or more picks for one?

There are a few scarce positions like QB and OT. If one or more QBs are gone, a team might get desperate.

VeveJones007 03-28-2017 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 8175)
Draft report on one of the best 3-4 NT prospects in this year's draft. Most project him as being drafted in the 5th or 6th round.



Cheers,

Seems like a reasonable target in rd 5 or with the comp pick between rounds 4-5.

sherck 03-28-2017 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 8178)
I know what you're saying, but if this draft class is as deep as people say, wouldn't this be a draft where teams are less likely to package two or more picks for one?

Like Veve said, this is a DEEP draft class for defensive talent.

This is not a deep class for QB, O-Line, or to a lesser extent WR.

If you are defensive set team but need offensive firepower, O-Line or receivers, then trading up to grab "the one" makes sense. Honestly, HOU is a QB away from contending.

If desired, we could find trade partners.

BTW, holy crud, I just saw mock draft by a national pundit that had Hassan Riddick going #5 overall. They are that in love with his combine performance and versatility to play ILB on 1st/2nd downs and OLB/Pass Rush on 3rd down.

Crazy.

Cheers,

Racehorse 03-28-2017 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 8211)
Like Veve said, this is a DEEP draft class for defensive talent.

This is not a deep class for QB, O-Line, or to a lesser extent WR.

If you are defensive set team but need offensive firepower, O-Line or receivers, then trading up to grab "the one" makes sense. Honestly, HOU is a QB away from contending.

If desired, we could find trade partners.

Fair enough

Puck 03-28-2017 02:57 PM

I know this wont be very popular with most of you but I want G Forrest Lamp with pick 15

Coltsalr 03-28-2017 05:41 PM

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The player who helped himself the most: Linebacker Jarrad Davis. His 38 ½ inch vertical leap would have been an inch better than any other linebacker at the scouting combine. It was so impressive that the event's organizers had to adjust the apparatus afterward so they could get an accurate measurement. His 10-foot, 9-inch broad jump was better than any linebacker at the combine, and his 4.56 40-yard dash was better than every linebacker not name Jabrill Peppers.

The player who hurt himself the most: Cornerback Jalen Tabor. His 40-yard dash was somewhere in the 4.7 range - slower than he performed at the combine. For a player who had been viewed as a first-round pick, it was, uh, not good. More on Tabor later.
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/gators...medium=twitter

Jarrad Davis is a name that I LOVE and I know I've been vocal about it.

He's been a guy I've been hoping might fall to us in the 2nd round, but with him throwing down a 4.56 40, I'm wondering if he might now be a late 1st rounder. If that's the case, then I'm okay with trading back in the 1st round to grab him then and hopefully getting some more value elsewhere to cover it up (including perhaps an early 2nd to hopefully grab an edge rusher).

Jarrad Davis replaced Antonio Morrison this past year. I'd love to see him have the opportunity to do so again. Morrison, speaking of, ran 5.1 40 last year at his Pro Day for comparison sake. An ILB running a 4.56 40 is incomprehensibly fast for us Colts fans. We simply NEED speed at that position and Jarrad Davis would provide it.

Teez Tabor is a name that's gotten some mention as being a 1st round pick, but with him running a 4.7 40, in addition to the off-the-field concerns, I don't see it anymore. He'd be fine as a 3rd rounder though, and he has a profile that just screams "DRAFT DAY FALL". How far he'll fall is anyone's guess.

I also like Marcus Maye from Florida, who apparently had a nice day today too. He'd probably be a very nice 4th round guy.

omahacolt 03-28-2017 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 8230)
I know this wont be very popular with most of you but I want G Forrest Lamp with pick 15

yep

that is pretty stupid

Coltsalr 03-28-2017 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 8230)
I know this wont be very popular with most of you but I want G Forrest Lamp with pick 15

Ballard said today that he's not sure he sees the starting 5 for our OL currently on our roster.

Makes me wonder if he's leaning that way. There are no viable starters left in free agency.

It's either they draft a viable starter or sign a guy that hasn't proven himself worthy of being a starter.

I guess the only other possibility is they ditch one of their current starters. Maybe Ballard trades Castonzo or Mewhort? I dunno.

YDFL Commish 03-28-2017 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 8242)
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/gators...medium=twitter

Jarrad Davis is a name that I LOVE and I know I've been vocal about it.

He's been a guy I've been hoping might fall to us in the 2nd round, but with him throwing down a 4.56 40, I'm wondering if he might now be a late 1st rounder. If that's the case, then I'm okay with trading back in the 1st round to grab him then and hopefully getting some more value elsewhere to cover it up (including perhaps an early 2nd to hopefully grab an edge rusher).

Jarrad Davis replaced Antonio Morrison this past year. I'd love to see him have the opportunity to do so again. Morrison, speaking of, ran 5.1 40 last year at his Pro Day for comparison sake. An ILB running a 4.56 40 is incomprehensibly fast for us Colts fans. We simply NEED speed at that position and Jarrad Davis would provide it.

Teez Tabor is a name that's gotten some mention as being a 1st round pick, but with him running a 4.7 40, in addition to the off-the-field concerns, I don't see it anymore. He'd be fine as a 3rd rounder though, and he has a profile that just screams "DRAFT DAY FALL". How far he'll fall is anyone's guess.

I also like Marcus Maye from Florida, who apparently had a nice day today too. He'd probably be a very nice 4th round guy.

I already told you that I'm not a fan of Davis. For me the tape, just doesn't lie.

I'm surprised Tabor ran that slow. I've watched some of his tape too, and the biggest negative that sticks out, is that he's totally immune to getting involved in the run game. I get that. But...can it be fixed?

He seems decent enough in coverage though. I just like, even CB's, to play with a certain amount of toughness.

sherck 03-28-2017 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 8255)
Ballard said today that he's not sure he sees the starting 5 for our OL currently on our roster.

Makes me wonder if he's leaning that way. There are no viable starters left in free agency.

While I would not be disappointed in O-line early, my guess is that Ballard is not convinced about the combo of Haeg, Clark, Good and Schwenke. He knows that currently 2 of the 4 would need to be starters and that he does not see that.

Akso, it is insurance for needing to re-sign Mewhort next year if he wants too much.

Want defense more but I will not complain if a top pick is O-line.

Cheers,


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YDFL Commish 03-28-2017 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 8261)
While I would not be disappointed in O-line early, my guess is that Ballard is not convinced about the combo of Haeg, Clark, Good and Schwenke. He knows that currently 2 of the 4 would need to be starters and that he does not see that.

Akso, it is insurance for needing to re-sign Mewhort next year if he wants too much.

Want defense more but I will not complain if a top pick is O-line.

Cheers,


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Just not 1st round.

Coltsalr 03-28-2017 07:50 PM

3rd round at the earliest on OL, IMO.

Way too much value at ILB/OLB and we're still weak there to not capitalize IMO.

If there's some huge run on LB's then fine I guess, CB/OL in the 2nd round is acceptable.

Puck 03-28-2017 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 8276)
3rd round at the earliest on OL, IMO.

Way too much value at ILB/OLB and we're still weak there to not capitalize IMO.

If there's some huge run on LB's then fine I guess, CB/OL in the 2nd round is acceptable.

You really haven't looked at the status of our CB's have you? We dont even have 2 starters to put on the field. Melvin is not an NFL starter. We do have OLB's via FA and ILB in Morrison that can at least play the position.

Puck 03-28-2017 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 8253)
yep

that is pretty stupid

Protecting Luck is the number one thing this GM needs to consider. Luck has not been protected since he got here.

Can't go through another yr of him getting beat to death.


This team is not going to revamp the D in one season so we better be prepared to out score teams in the interim

Coltsalr 03-28-2017 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 8277)
You really haven't looked at the status of our CB's have you? We dont even have 2 starters to put on the field. Melvin is not an NFL starter. We do have OLB's via FA and ILB in Morrison that can at least play the position.

I'm well aware of the state of our CB'a.

Our pass rush and overall talent at LB is more dire.

Puck 03-28-2017 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 8279)
I'm well aware of the state of our CB'a.

Our pass rush and overall talent at LB is more dire.


Ok. I have. Simon and Sheard on the outside. Morrison and Spence on the inside. With Mingo Ayres as backups on the outside and Jackson as a backup on the inside


Who do you have as corners???

Who do you have playing RG?

Puck 03-28-2017 08:09 PM

Man I hope this is true


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Stephen Holder‏ @HolderStephen

Ballard was also very adamant that he will not be suckered into erring toward need in the draft. He said he's learned hard lessons abt that

VeveJones007 03-28-2017 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 8280)
Ok. I have. Simon and Sheard on the outside. Morrison and Spence on the inside. With Mingo Ayres as backups on the outside and Jackson as a backup on the inside


Who do you have as corners???

Who do you have playing RG?

That LB corps still is average at best.

VeveJones007 03-28-2017 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 8211)
Like Veve said, this is a DEEP draft class for defensive talent.

This is not a deep class for QB, O-Line, or to a lesser extent WR.

If you are defensive set team but need offensive firepower, O-Line or receivers, then trading up to grab "the one" makes sense. Honestly, HOU is a QB away from contending.

If desired, we could find trade partners.

BTW, holy crud, I just saw mock draft by a national pundit that had Hassan Riddick going #5 overall. They are that in love with his combine performance and versatility to play ILB on 1st/2nd downs and OLB/Pass Rush on 3rd down.

Crazy.

Cheers,

Beasley and Fowler had similar rises up draft boards. I don't think it's unreasonable.

VeveJones007 03-28-2017 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 8242)
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/gators...medium=twitter

Jarrad Davis is a name that I LOVE and I know I've been vocal about it.

He's been a guy I've been hoping might fall to us in the 2nd round, but with him throwing down a 4.56 40, I'm wondering if he might now be a late 1st rounder. If that's the case, then I'm okay with trading back in the 1st round to grab him then and hopefully getting some more value elsewhere to cover it up (including perhaps an early 2nd to hopefully grab an edge rusher).

Jarrad Davis replaced Antonio Morrison this past year. I'd love to see him have the opportunity to do so again. Morrison, speaking of, ran 5.1 40 last year at his Pro Day for comparison sake. An ILB running a 4.56 40 is incomprehensibly fast for us Colts fans. We simply NEED speed at that position and Jarrad Davis would provide it.

Teez Tabor is a name that's gotten some mention as being a 1st round pick, but with him running a 4.7 40, in addition to the off-the-field concerns, I don't see it anymore. He'd be fine as a 3rd rounder though, and he has a profile that just screams "DRAFT DAY FALL". How far he'll fall is anyone's guess.

I also like Marcus Maye from Florida, who apparently had a nice day today too. He'd probably be a very nice 4th round guy.

They definitely need more sideline to sideline and coverage speed from ILB. I don't know if Davis is the right guy, but I like the idea of trying to address those needs.

Puck 03-28-2017 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 8287)
That LB corps still is average at best.


It's still more stable than the CB corps

Coltsalr 03-28-2017 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 8280)
Ok. I have. Simon and Sheard on the outside. Morrison and Spence on the inside. With Mingo Ayres as backups on the outside and Jackson as a backup on the inside


Who do you have as corners???

Who do you have playing RG?

Yes, that's still a woefully undermanned LB corps. Combine that with LB being more essential to the defense in that it handles all phases and that's why it's ther more dire need.

The CB group isn't great shakes, I don't disagree, but the position itself and with Butler potentially able to compensate a bit, it's not as dire. There's no one bailing out our LB's. Fix that first.

Puck 03-28-2017 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 8298)
Yes, that's still a woefully undermanned LB corps. Combine that with LB being more essential to the defense in that it handles all phases and that's why it's ther more dire need.

The CB group isn't great shakes, I don't disagree, but the position itself and with Butler potentially able to compensate a bit, it's not as dire. There's no one bailing out our LB's. Fix that first.

I completely disagree

Coltsalr 03-28-2017 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 8289)
They definitely need more sideline to sideline and coverage speed from ILB. I don't know if Davis is the right guy, but I like the idea of trying to address those needs.

I'm not the biggest Raekwon McMillian fan, but he did run a 4.61 40.

Hassan Reddick ran a 4.52. I know Reddick might not be a pure ILB, but he also wouldn't be a pure pass rusher and he'd be able to use his speed in coverage.

Antonio Morrison ran a 5.10 last year and I doubt if oldass DQ Jackson could get under 6. I'm not sure if people (not you) realize how drastically Under-athletic we are at that position and how much adding a guy with speed would do for us.

Puck 03-28-2017 09:56 PM

Right now at CB we have Davis Melvin and Duke Williams Mathias Farley or . Tevin Mitchel. AND Davis is in a contract yr. I think this is the worst group on the team now

Dam8610 03-28-2017 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 8301)
Right now at CB we have Davis Melvin and Duke Williams Mathias Farley or . Tevin Mitchel. AND Davis is in a contract yr. I think this is the worst group on the team now

LB says hi.

VeveJones007 03-29-2017 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 8301)
Right now at CB we have Davis Melvin and Duke Williams Mathias Farley or . Tevin Mitchel. AND Davis is in a contract yr. I think this is the worst group on the team now

Everyone knows that the corners suck. They absolutely need to improve there. They still need to improve at LB, too. You take BPA and work from there. As Irsay said today, you aren't fixing the defense in a single draft. Don't flip your shit if they go BPA and don't fully address CB in this draft. We can only evaluate after a few drafts.

Coltsalr 03-29-2017 08:45 AM

Our LB's, particularly our starters, are as follows, our two starting OLB's are two nice role players (Simon/Sheard) that have proven themselves to be quite nice in role playing roles, but not as starters, and amongst defense and coaching staffs that are far superior to ours. I'm still bullish on them, but to act like we couldn't stand to pad our depth around is foolish. Our starting ILB's are Sean Spence, who's maybe an average starter at best, who has weaknesses where we need strengths and Antonio Morrison, who was below average, to put it as absolutely kindly as I can and isn't likely to ever become average.

Our CB's currently contain Vontae Davis, who's an above average starter at the very worst and top-tier when he's at the top of his game. He might not be that guy anymore, but like I said, he's still above average. Rashaan Melvin was an okay player last year. I don't love him and I know he isn't wonderful, but he's not a trainwreck on par with Antonio Morrison. Combine that with Darius Butler being able to help compensate from the Safety position, and the position isn't on total life support.

And again, by sheer virtue of pass rush being the biggest part of a defense in general, the LB's are a bigger need. They just are.

Puck 03-29-2017 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 8308)
LB says hi.

So who are your starting CB's? I showed who will start at LB

The Lbers have been addressed in FA the corners have not at all

sherck 03-29-2017 09:19 AM

Obviously, our roster is SCREAMING for a veteran CB to be signed even if we end up taking multiple CBs in the 2017 draft. And there are still a few available that I think could help us: Alterraun Verner, Corey White, B.W. Webb, Nickell Robey-Coleman.

However, at this point, since Ballard has not made a move in about a week, I would guess that none of them fit what he is looking for.

My guess is that Ballard is now going to wait until the "surprise" camp cut phase of free agency to find a veteran CB to come in and either start opposite Davis in 2017 or give a veteran "push" to a rookie who wins the job.

I don't think that we are going to get a solution to CB shortly; we will need to be patient until Week 1 of the NFL season to see what the "plan" ends up being.

But, even though we are "re-stocking" over the course of a couple of years, I would be surprised if no veteran CB is brought in unless we end up using 1-15 and then our 2nd or 3rd round picks on CB as well and they just kill it in camp.

Cheers,

VeveJones007 03-29-2017 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 8324)
Obviously, our roster is SCREAMING for a veteran CB to be signed even if we end up taking multiple CBs in the 2017 draft. And there are still a few available that I think could help us: Alterraun Verner, Corey White, B.W. Webb, Nickell Robey-Coleman.

However, at this point, since Ballard has not made a move in about a week, I would guess that none of them fit what he is looking for.

My guess is that Ballard is now going to wait until the "surprise" camp cut phase of free agency to find a veteran CB to come in and either start opposite Davis in 2017 or give a veteran "push" to a rookie who wins the job.

I don't think that we are going to get a solution to CB shortly; we will need to be patient until Week 1 of the NFL season to see what the "plan" ends up being.

But, even though we are "re-stocking" over the course of a couple of years, I would be surprised if no veteran CB is brought in unless we end up using 1-15 and then our 2nd or 3rd round picks on CB as well and they just kill it in camp.

Cheers,

I really think that Ballard trusts his scouting ability for corners. He probably has a couple that he's targeting in the draft, maybe early, maybe late.

YDFL Commish 03-29-2017 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 8242)
Morrison, speaking of, ran 5.1 40 last year at his Pro Day for comparison sake.

Is this really an accurate number? 5.10 is crazy slow. For an ILB that is considered un-draftable by most, if not all teams.

Yet Grigson takes him in the 4th rd. Holy shit, I'm so glad that Grigson is gone.

Dam8610 03-29-2017 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 8322)
So who are your starting CB's? I showed who will start at LB

The Lbers have been addressed in FA the corners have not at all

Quality, not quantity. Vontae Davis is the best player the Colts have on defense. LB is manned entirely with average or worse starters. That's why LB is higher priority even now. I'd spend a 3 on CB, but nothing higher.

Dam8610 03-29-2017 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 8333)
Is this really an accurate number? 5.10 is crazy slow. For an ILB that is considered un-draftable by most, if not all teams.

Yet Grigson takes him in the 4th rd. Holy shit, I'm so glad that Grigson is gone.

40 times don't matter, idiot.

JMO
Omahacolt

rcubed 03-29-2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 8336)
40 times don't matter, idiot.

JMO
Omahacolt

For LB, I like to see short area quickness over top 40 yd speed. 10-15 yards.


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