Originally Posted by apballin (Post 231912)

Money always trumps everything with players, they’re all watching this and how it’s handled will affect future contract issues

I don’t care how good a team is, this shits always a distraction

I can’t think of 1 situation where a holdout ended good other then Bob Sanders, but that was his rookie deal

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 231912)

Money always trumps everything with players, they’re all watching this and how it’s handled will affect future contract issues

I don’t care how good a team is, this shits always a distraction

I can’t think of 1 situation where a holdout ended good other then Bob Sanders, but that was his rookie deal

Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 231937)

I didn't know or forgot Bob Sanders held out. The only one I could think of was Edgerrin James' rookie holdout. Key difference in those situations was they happened before signing a contract.

Distraction or not, I just don't want this dragging into training camp and preseason... Any time that the entire team should be spending learning how to play with one another and gelling.

Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 231756)

I would do it differently. Call me old fashion, but my word means more to me than money. I get the, make all you can, but integrity is a real thing.

Originally Posted by apballin (Post 231912)

I can’t think of 1 situation where a holdout ended good other then Bob Sanders, but that was his rookie deal

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 231951)

I think a lot of people forget some of the Colts players who have held out over the years.

I wouldn't say that players that hold out lack integrity - there are a lot of players that have held out.

If that is the determining factor, then:

Reggie Wayne lacks integrity.

Robert Mathis lacks integrity.

The reason why I bring up their names is because they held out at the same exact time.

They both had 2 years left on their (non-rookie) contract. Player salaries had gone up since they signed their deals so they were underpaid vs their peers. They both wanted to renegotiate their contract. Hmmm, that sounds familiar to the details in this thread.

Polian told them to go pound sand. OK, he said it a little more delicately than that but not much, because it was Polian after all. Polian hid behind the CBA negotiations a bit - he said he didn't want to sign any long term deals before knowing the details of the new CBA.

So Wayne and Mathis sat out of voluntary OTA's - this wasn't unusual for Wayne because he typically skipped OTA's anyway. Reggie preferred to work out on his own.

Next Wayne and Mathis sat out of mandatory minicamp.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ing-new-deals/


In the end, they both reported to training camp that year.

I don't think there was any hard feelings between the player and team - both Reggie and Robert signed a new deal with the Colts once their contract was finally finished.

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 231951)

I think a lot of people forget some of the Colts players who have held out over the years.

I wouldn't say that players that hold out lack integrity - there are a lot of players that have held out.

If that is the determining factor, then:

Reggie Wayne lacks integrity.

Robert Mathis lacks integrity.

The reason why I bring up their names is because they held out at the same exact time.

They both had 2 years left on their (non-rookie) contract. Player salaries had gone up since they signed their deals so they were underpaid vs their peers. They both wanted to renegotiate their contract. Hmmm, that sounds familiar to the details in this thread.

Polian told them to go pound sand. OK, he said it a little more delicately than that but not much, because it was Polian after all. Polian hid behind the CBA negotiations a bit - he said he didn't want to sign any long term deals before knowing the details of the new CBA.

So Wayne and Mathis sat out of voluntary OTA's - this wasn't unusual for Wayne because he typically skipped OTA's anyway. Reggie preferred to work out on his own.

Next Wayne and Mathis sat out of mandatory minicamp.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ing-new-deals/


In the end, they both reported to training camp that year.

I don't think there was any hard feelings between the player and team - both Reggie and Robert signed a new deal with the Colts once their contract was finally finished.

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 231951)

I think a lot of people forget some of the Colts players who have held out over the years.

I wouldn't say that players that hold out lack integrity - there are a lot of players that have held out.

If that is the determining factor, then:

Reggie Wayne lacks integrity.

Robert Mathis lacks integrity.

The reason why I bring up their names is because they held out at the same exact time.

They both had 2 years left on their (non-rookie) contract. Player salaries had gone up since they signed their deals so they were underpaid vs their peers. They both wanted to renegotiate their contract. Hmmm, that sounds familiar to the details in this thread.

Polian told them to go pound sand. OK, he said it a little more delicately than that but not much, because it was Polian after all. Polian hid behind the CBA negotiations a bit - he said he didn't want to sign any long term deals before knowing the details of the new CBA.

So Wayne and Mathis sat out of voluntary OTA's - this wasn't unusual for Wayne because he typically skipped OTA's anyway. Reggie preferred to work out on his own.

Next Wayne and Mathis sat out of mandatory minicamp.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ing-new-deals/


In the end, they both reported to training camp that year.

I don't think there was any hard feelings between the player and team - both Reggie and Robert signed a new deal with the Colts once their contract was finally finished.

Originally Posted by CanuckColt (Post 232015)

Moore is making a lot of money for his position and skillset and he is trusting his agent to do the right thing, but agents are weasels, and often get their clients messed up.

Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 232030)

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Agents can indeed be weasels and cause trouble for the clients, but ultimately, the client is the agent's boss ...... if the client senses that the agent is being a dipshit, he has the right to fire him on the spot and make it clear to the media that the agent's position/stance is not his.

I'm not necessarily saying that Kenny Moore ought to fire his agent, I'm simply pointing out that the agent works for the client, not the other way around.

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