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Racehorse 01-19-2018 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 52635)
he said 'might be.' geez race, get with it.

LOL. I am just saying the mediots can't ever get their stories straight.

rcubed 01-19-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 52638)
LOL. I am just saying the mediots can't ever get their stories straight.

eh, they are all just talking out of their asses.

I am always amazed kiper has made a career out of "assessing" the draft.

Racehorse 01-20-2018 10:48 AM

http://www.indianasportscoverage.com...ock-drafts/13/

IN summary, most say it will be Chubb, then it is Barkley, Smith, Fitzpatrick, Oklahoma and Texas OTs. I would love to have Smith, but would hate to pass on Chubb.

YDFL Commish 01-20-2018 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 52663)
http://www.indianasportscoverage.com...ock-drafts/13/

IN summary, most say it will be Chubb, then it is Barkley, Smith, Fitzpatrick, Oklahoma and Texas OTs. I would love to have Smith, but would hate to pass on Chubb.

Fix the o-line in free agency. Draft BPA, which is either Chubb or Barkley.

sherck 01-20-2018 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 52670)
Fix the o-line in free agency. Draft BPA, which is either Chubb or Barkley.

The problem is that you, most likely, cannot fix the line in free agency alone.

While we will probably be able to find 2x OG of starter quality in free agency, the only OT for sure better than Good or Haeg is Solder from NE with no guarantee he makes it to free agency...or that he would come here.

Most likely, we need to use a draft pick on OT to fix the line and a top one at that. The free agent OTs are just not there.

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Racehorse 01-20-2018 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 52677)
The problem is that you, most likely, cannot fix the line in free agency alone.

While we will probably be able to find 2x OG of starter quality in free agency, the only OT for sure better than Good or Haeg is Solder from NE with no guarantee he makes it to free agency...or that he would come here.

Most likely, we need to use a draft pick on OT to fix the line and a top one at that. The free agent OTs are just not there.

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I agree that most quality starters will not make it to free agency. However, I disagree that our line is as bad as it looked this year. Improved schemes will make our line serviceable enough that we could just add one solid piece and be where we want it to be.

YDFL Commish 01-20-2018 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 52684)
I agree that most quality starters will not make it to free agency. However, I disagree that our line is as bad as it looked this year. Improved schemes will make our line serviceable enough that we could just add one solid piece and be where we want it to be.

Agreed and that 1 solid piece could be Solder or Andrew Norwell or Trai Turner. I don't see Carolina as being able to afford both.

VeveJones007 01-20-2018 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 52684)
I agree that most quality starters will not make it to free agency. However, I disagree that our line is as bad as it looked this year. Improved schemes will make our line serviceable enough that we could just add one solid piece and be where we want it to be.

I’d still like two guards in UFA, but I agree that scheme can help a ton.

Oldcolt 01-21-2018 01:08 AM

One below average offensive tackle isn’t going to kill us or Luck. Good play calling scheming better and giving help with backs and tight end can cover one weak link. If you can’t put pressure on qb then we will keep getting our lunch handed to us at the end of games. Use the top pick on Chubb

1965southpaw 01-21-2018 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 52709)
One below average offensive tackle isn’t going to kill us or Luck. Good play calling scheming better and giving help with backs and tight end can cover one weak link. If you can’t put pressure on qb then we will keep getting our lunch handed to us at the end of games. Use the top pick on Chubb

Patriots have been consistently using Duane Allen as a 6th lineman to block for Brady. Wonder if McDaniels will use the same strategy in the short term with Luck.

smitty46953 01-21-2018 12:54 PM

Still say trade back if can and get more picks. draft big ugly guys :cool:

VeveJones007 01-21-2018 02:00 PM

Mort is reporting that Gettleman and Schermer like Eli, but will still evaluate QB class. If Giants aren’t going QB at 2, they could trade out or take someone the Colts may be interested in at 3.

Spike 01-21-2018 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 52761)
Mort is reporting that Gettleman and Schermer like Eli, but will still evaluate QB class. If Giants aren’t going QB at 2, they could trade out or take someone the Colts may be interested in at 3.

Giants would be stupid not to take a QB. Eli is toast and the Giants may never be in this good of a position to take one again.

VeveJones007 01-21-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 52762)
Giants would be stupid not to take a QB. Eli is toast and the Giants may never be in this good of a position to take one again.

Agree, but it’s apparently in question.

1965southpaw 01-21-2018 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 52761)
Mort is reporting that Gettleman and Schermer like Eli, but will still evaluate QB class. If Giants aren’t going QB at 2, they could trade out or take someone the Colts may be interested in at 3.

I'm more worried about the Browns picking up someone like Kirk Cousins in free agency and taking someone we want.

omahacolt 01-21-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 52765)
Agree, but it’s apparently in question.

it is probably just bs that happens every year before the draft. just games. unless they don't like any of the qb's, they would be retarded not to take one

sherck 01-21-2018 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965southpaw (Post 52769)
I'm more worried about the Browns picking up someone like Kirk Cousins in free agency and taking someone we want.

Or being okay with 3 different QBs, taking Barkley or Chubb #1 and taking QB at #4.

Of course, that then makes trading down better for us but....

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FatDT 01-21-2018 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 52709)
One below average offensive tackle isn’t going to kill us or Luck. Good play calling scheming better and giving help with backs and tight end can cover one weak link. If you can’t put pressure on qb then we will keep getting our lunch handed to us at the end of games. Use the top pick on Chubb

It's not impossible to get Norwell, Pugh, and Solder in FA. No OT in this draft is going to outplay Haeg or Good for OT this season.

njcoltfan 01-21-2018 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 52772)
Or being okay with 3 different QBs, taking Barkley or Chubb #1 and taking QB at #4.

Of course, that then makes trading down better for us but....

Walk Worthy,

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I suggested this weeks ago and was told by multiple Freaks that I was nuts, but I do agree with this senerio.

omahacolt 01-21-2018 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 52781)
I suggested this weeks ago and was told by multiple Freaks that I was nuts, but I do agree with this senerio.

It is stupid

njcoltfan 01-22-2018 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 52813)
It is stupid

Why, if they have 2 QB's rated close ?

sherck 01-22-2018 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 52907)
Why, if they have 2 QB's rated close ?

Please don't feed the trolls.

Omaha does not have a reason. He is just running on instinct.


Walk Worthy,

njcoltfan 01-22-2018 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 52917)
Please don't feed the trolls.

Omaha does not have a reason. He is just running on instinct.


Walk Worthy,

Don’t feed him after midnight and don’t throw water on him !!

VeveJones007 01-22-2018 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 52907)
Why, if they have 2 QB's rated close ?

If they wait until 4, they’ll miss on both.

njcoltfan 01-22-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 52948)
If they wait until 4, they’ll miss on both.

Only if the Colts draft one.

sherck 01-22-2018 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 52964)
Only if the Colts draft one.

Naw.

If non-QB is taken at #1, then our #3 pick will be very valuable. Lots of trade value.

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njcoltfan 01-22-2018 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 52977)
Naw.

If non-QB is taken at #1, then our #3 pick will be very valuable. Lots of trade value.

Walk Worthy,

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Right, that’s if there is a trade

falloutboy14 01-22-2018 04:48 PM

I've been reading about Maurice Hurst from Michigan. He's drawing Aaron Donald comparisons. He's a top 15 pick who might be top 5 by draft time.

GoBigBlue88 01-22-2018 04:53 PM

I keep seeing the opinion that Chubb doesn't have an elite skill. As in: he doesn't have elite strength or elite speed or an elite rip, etc.

I think everyone is overcomplicating it. Can he get to the QB consistently at the next level? Is he the best player with that ability in this class? Then you take him. I don't care how he gets to the QB, I just care that he applies edge pressure.

FatDT 01-22-2018 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBigBlue88 (Post 53004)
I keep seeing the opinion that Chubb doesn't have an elite skill. As in: he doesn't have elite strength or elite speed or an elite rip, etc.

I think everyone is overcomplicating it. Can he get to the QB consistently at the next level? Is he the best player with that ability in this class? Then you take him. I don't care how he gets to the QB, I just care that he applies edge pressure.

Jadaveon Clowney had elite everything (except production) as a prospect and hasn't come close to being the DPOY or winning the sack title. Being an elite freak athlete is overrated.

YDFL Commish 01-22-2018 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 53006)
Jadaveon Clowney had elite everything (except production) as a prospect and hasn't come close to being the DPOY or winning the sack title. Being an elite freak athlete is overrated.

While Terrell Suggs impressed nobody at anything he did in his workouts, and He will be in the HOF.

omahacolt 01-22-2018 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 52917)
Please don't feed the trolls.

Omaha does not have a reason. He is just running on instinct.


Walk Worthy,

Please don’t feed the trolls?

Shrek the self righteous dildo has spoken. Nice zinger champ.

John Dorsey is running the browns. The dude is smart enough to realize the opportunity to finally correct the franchise by picking a qb. He not pick a fucking rb first and then just take whatever leftover qb is there. That is retarded

omahacolt 01-22-2018 10:26 PM

Oh yeah

Fucking walk worthy

omahacolt 01-22-2018 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 53036)
While Terrell Suggs impressed nobody at anything he did in his workouts, and He will be in the HOF.

Suggs had like 20 something sacks in a year in college.

Racehorse 01-23-2018 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 53006)
Jadaveon Clowney had elite everything (except production) as a prospect and hasn't come close to being the DPOY or winning the sack title. Being an elite freak athlete is overrated.

Yes, and that is why I think Chubb and Smith will be great in the NFL. Both have game instincts that make them elite.

VeveJones007 01-23-2018 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 53067)
Yes, and that is why I think Chubb and Smith will be great in the NFL. Both have game instincts that make them elite.

Agree completely. For Chubb, it isn't about him not having an elite trait. It's his combination of athleticism, size, strength, and instincts that make him an elite prospect.

It's impossible for the Colts to get both, but I hope Ballard is able to find one or two LBs with Smith's traits. They need that kind of speed at LB.

FatDT 01-23-2018 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 53081)
Agree completely. For Chubb, it isn't about him not having an elite trait. It's his combination of athleticism, size, strength, and instincts that make him an elite prospect.

It's impossible for the Colts to get both, but I hope Ballard is able to find one or two LBs with Smith's traits. They need that kind of speed at LB.

ILBs always fall. Might be able to get Evans or Edmunds (I really like Edmunds) in the early 2nd. Not as fast as Smith but I bet they're both more durable in the NFL.

Chromeburn 01-23-2018 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by falloutboy14 (Post 53001)
I've been reading about Maurice Hurst from Michigan. He's drawing Aaron Donald comparisons. He's a top 15 pick who might be top 5 by draft time.

It's funny, I have been starting to think of him as an option also. The guy is the most consistently disruptive DT out there. Applying pressure up the middle now is invaluable. Those guy are almost harder to find than good edge rushers. He was tearing it up in his bowl game. Check him out in the senior bowl.

1. Hurst
2. Sony Michel
3. Hernandez

Would be a pretty cool draft for me. And no way I'm drafting a guard in the top 15 picks, period. Overkill for a pick.

Chromeburn 01-23-2018 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 53083)
ILBs always fall. Might be able to get Evans or Edmunds (I really like Edmunds) in the early 2nd. Not as fast as Smith but I bet they're both more durable in the NFL.

Kid from Boise St is huge, fast, and a playmaker. I like him as a 2nd as well.

Butter 01-23-2018 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 53144)
Kid from Boise St is huge, fast, and a playmaker. I like him as a 2nd as well.

I know nothing about this kid, but a huge fast MLB sounds awesome. Just a moderately fast one who knows how to wrap up when tackling sounds great.


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