It has to be McDaniels.

Get the ball out of Luck's hands and get a coach who can get in his ass and hold him accountable when he wants to be stubborn and choose not too.

If there is a ST or defensive guy out there that is better; We need to make sure we get an OC that can do the same.

I just read on another team's forum that McDaniels wants GM-level input. Not sure if that can be toned down to "working hand in hand with a GM like Ballard", but that sounds like he'd rather take on a team with no front office in place.

Well then fuck him, he hasn't earned that right.

Yeah, something tells me Ballard will show him the door.

No way, that was one of his biggest problems last time. He tried to control too much. Fuck that guy. I think this is a due diligence interview anyway, I still think it will be Toub.

I'm on the Toub bandwagon myself. He seems like a competent leader who will hire smart coordinators that fit his and Ballard's vision.

I really don't give a fuck about a big name coach. I want the Colts to go the Rams route.

In the press conference, ballard said prior HC not required, he wants a teacher to develop players, relationship with GM is vitally important. That all points to toub. They have been working together since their days in chicago. Doyle wrote an article about this. Unless someone comes in and really hits it off with ballard, I would say its toub’s job.

As much as you hate Dungy, you cannot deny he was a damn good coach. And don’t say it was all Manning-he took the Bucs from all of pro sports laughingstock to the NFC championship game with Shaun freakin King. Then Gruden snaked in after he got fired, won the super bowl, and then proceeded to go straight down into purgatory before HE finally got fired. That Bucs super bowl trophy should have Dungys name on it. He BUILT that team.

I want Nagy or McDaniels. For sure an offensive coach preferably one the will run and call their own offense, not relying on a coordinator to bring a system with them,

Well, we have less competition since the Bengals just resigned Lewis to a 2 year contract. Bengal fans are committing suicide as we speak.

I'm hoping it's not him. Not only was he a complete dumpster fire in Denver, but not a single one of Belicheat's assistants have been successful as a HC. I'd rather go with Reich or Nagy if we go OC.

I get where you're coming from.

IMO sometimes people have to fail in order to learn. I'm not as intimately familiar with Reich or Nagy's experiences with being head coaches and whether either of them have had the opportunity to fuck up or succeed and gain that experience in that role.

I think a lot of folks see McDaniels and the Pat rage fucks with their ability to view things objectively.

It doesn't really have to be McDaniels for me. I just want a great OC who can and will get in Lucks ass.

For me its the fact BB's coaching tree has been overall underwhelming in the NFL.

Including McDaniels in his first stent as HC in Denver.

Yeah, exactly. What has he done that thinks some team will give him that power?

He will be staying in NE if that's the case

But he learned from his stint in Denver, right? :rolleyes:

apparently not!

bovada odds:

nagy 3/1
toub 13/4
cap'n comeback 4/1
mcdaniels 6/1
shaw 6/1
reich 10/1
manning 100/1

Surprised Harbaugh is that high.

I would be OK with Nagy, prefer him over Toub.

Ideal scenario might be getting both. Get Toub as HC and he brings over Nagy as Assistant HC with full power on offensive side of the ball. Nagy might find that appealing considering Reid has a lot of control on the offense in KC.

Chiefs would have to ok that move by Nagy. It is a lateral move

He is listed at Off. Coord. on their site. Wouldnt an assistant HC position be a step up or not significant enough?

Crazy as it is. Anyone not a HC is an assistant coach. Being a coordinator is the same as a RB coach.

They did this to keep teams from being too crazy with what the name a coaching position. Like linebacker coordinator to keep teams from making up titles to prevent a coach from leaving

So he needs permission to be a ccordinator or get offered HC job to leave

interesting. didnt know that.

I supposed.......my worry then though would be Nagy being taken from the team in the next few years as a HC for another team.

That wouldn't happen