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bigalbert 05-14-2023 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 266233)
what kind of idiotic bullshit is this? did fox news actually type this out for you?


a trumper and a christian is the epitome of hypocrisy. no self respecting christian can look at how trump has lived his life and worship him.

the democrats are dipshits for sure but there is no doubt you have no idea what democrats actually stand for. you just regurgitate whatever that clown MTG shouts out of her caveman looking face


Reading comprehension is a must. I said Trump was the lesser of 2 evils. You are a typical example of a leftist progressive filled with rage and hate. There’s a huge difference between what I wrote and what you assumed


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bigalbert 05-14-2023 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 266253)
Heres the deal, this nation was formed to have the freedom FOR and the freedom FROM religion. No ones religious concepts can be forced on anyone else. I had a daughter who lost a child in her pregnancy. The doctors save her life, so her other children wouldnt grow up without their mother. Only a woman and her doctor should be making decisions about her health care. Not the church.


I had a child who died from cancer, I would have died so he could live.


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bigalbert 05-14-2023 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 266242)
o


Life is sacred ??? Really ???

As usual, I will defer to the master in regard to that line of total bullshit ......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY95vuEjTTE

o


Yes life is sacred


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omahacolt 05-14-2023 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266282)
Reading comprehension is a must. I said Trump was the lesser of 2 evils. You are a typical example of a leftist progressive filled with rage and hate. There’s a huge difference between what I wrote and what you assumed


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i am absolutely not a leftist. in no way filled with rage and hate. granted, bigotry and ignorance does annoy me quite a bit.

your lesser of two evils tried to overthrow the government.

Spike 05-15-2023 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 266285)
i am absolutely not a leftist. in no way filled with rage and hate. granted, bigotry and ignorance does annoy me quite a bit.

your lesser of two evils tried to overthrow the government.

Well, some people say that, some people say that's BS. Personally I don't know which side is telling the truth. Probably both sides are lying out of their ass. Again, I don't fucking know.

I do not watch any news channels, including Fox.

Really, the only thing that concerns me is my family, friends, and the great people of this country. And I see what the democrats are doing and it isn't good.

I live in California and I can tell you that democrats have fucked up this once great state. Nobody who lives in Cal. wants to go to LA or SF anymore.

Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Seattle, etc... and the list goes on are just a few cities I would never visit, all run by democrats.

I am neither a republican or democrat. But the reality is that the democrats are, IMHO, the bigger evil. That's why thousands are fleeing this state. Taxes and fines are way out of hand and the two cities I mentioned are shit holes now. I saw a clip the other day in which Sonny H said she would like Newsome as the president because he was good to look at. WTF? Is that how we are all voting for now. Hell, I should run for president then, I'm much better looking than him, LOL.

Just for the record, I don't watch the View.

Jaff alway posts shit here bashing Trump, which is his right. But I have never seen him bash any democrats, not one. Which in my opinion is what is wrong in this country. Both the republicans and democrats have done bad shit for this country.

Anybody who thinks Biden is doing a good job is fucking brain dead. I actually feel sorry for the guy, he's old and decrepit. If I was a family member, I would try and get him removed, or maybe not, then we would have Kamala as our President, that would be even worse.

As a veteran, I didn't sign up for this shit.

Colts And Orioles 05-15-2023 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 266242)
o


Life is sacred ??? Really ???

As usual, I will defer to the master in regard to that line of total bullshit ......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY95vuEjTTE

o


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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266284)



Yes, life is sacred.




o


Except that anybody with a brain in their head and an IQ north of 88 knows that that is an out-and-out lie.

Just because you regurgitate a nonsensical refrain with no basis in reality, doesn't make it fact ...... you may as well say l "Yes, the world is flat."

o

bigalbert 05-15-2023 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 266290)
o


Except that anybody with a brain in their head and an IQ north of 88 knows that that is an out-and-out lie.

Just because you regurgitate a nonsensical refrain with no basis in reality, doesn't make it fact ...... you may as well say l "Yes, the world is flat."

o


If you live life with a biblical world view you would understand as I do that the body (me) is the temple of Christ. He lives in me and I in him. The Holy Spirit guides me and shapes me. I was born in sin and full of evil and wanted nothing to do with God. But Jesus kept calling me and I would run away and hide in the booze, drugs, and women, and try to find happiness in all of that because sin is so much fun but it did nothing but lead me into more despair. And Jesus was there with me with his arms open wide and He asked me, how long are you going to deny me? Come and I will give you rest and I knelt before him asked Him to help me and he lifted me up and called me friend. I stopped drinking and doing drugs and had a new respect for women, it was the most amazing thing and now I live for Him. I owe my life to Him. Yes life is sacred.


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Colts And Orioles 05-15-2023 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266296)



If you live life with a biblical world view ......




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Then you would know that people have killed each other in the name of God more than any other reason in the past several thousand years. It's right up there with alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.

If you study history, even modestly, you would know that God is one of the leading causes of death in the world, and has been for thousands of years. Jews, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, all taking turns killing each other because their "God" told them that it was a good idea ...... and more than 50 percent of the people in those groups have professed to doing what they do because of their interpretation of the Bible, as do you ...... you (and they) have staked their claim to living their lives from a Biblical view.

o

Racehorse 05-15-2023 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 266305)
o


Then you would know that people have killed each other in the name of God more than any other reason in the past several thousand years. It's right up there with alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.

If you study history, even modestly, you would know that God is one of the leading causes of death in the world, and has been for thousands of years. Jews, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, all taking turns killing each other because their "God" told them that it was a good idea ...... and more than 50 percent of the people in those groups have professed to doing what they do because of their interpretation of the Bible, as do you ...... you (and they) have staked their claim to living their lives from a Biblical view.

o

anyone who has read the New Testament and claims to be following the Bible to justify killing an innocent person is delusional. Anyone who claims Christianity authorizes killing an innocent human being is lying.

bigalbert 05-15-2023 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 266305)
o


Then you would know that people have killed each other in the name of God more than any other reason in the past several thousand years. It's right up there with alcohol, tobacco, and drugs.

If you study history, even modestly, you would know that God is one of the leading causes of death in the world, and has been for thousands of years. Jews, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, all taking turns killing each other because their "God" told them that it was a good idea ...... and more than 50 percent of the people in those groups have professed to doing what they do because of their interpretation of the Bible, as do you ...... you (and they) have staked their claim to living their lives from a Biblical view.

o


The Bible doesn’t end in the Old Testament. The crusades were against Gods will for mankind after the revelation of Christ. One quick read thru the New Testament reveals that. I live my life as Jesus taught me to do to the best of my human ability and I still fail. Many who say they are Christian are not. Satan is very powerful and has lead many down the path of destruction.


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JAFF 05-15-2023 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 266286)

Jaff alway posts shit here bashing Trump, which is his right. But I have never seen him bash any democrats, not one. Which in my opinion is what is wrong in this country. Both the republicans and democrats have done bad shit for this country.

Anybody who thinks Biden is doing a good job is fucking brain dead. I actually feel sorry for the guy, he's old and decrepit. If I was a family member, I would try and get him removed, or maybe not, then we would have Kamala as our President, that would be even worse.

As a veteran, I didn't sign up for this shit.

If any politician what ever the party overtly tries to subvert the will of the people and falsely claim the election is rigged I will shout to the rafters, for their arrest, conviction and inprisonment.

Trump call for the riot at the capitol, for the crowed to attack and stop the electoral college. Attempted to convince, elected officials to commit fraud on the counting of ballots for the presidential election. In Georgia where there are recordings of him demanding the Georgia officials “find” more votes that did not exsist. He stole government documents and did not secure them in a manner that is prescribed by law. That every president before him has followed. And then he lied as he has about so many things that people just become numb to it.

Donald Trump is an evil man. Just go back and look at his history. It’s right there. The only thing he cares about is himself

This isnt about party. This is about a very evil man, and if he were a democrat, I would be yelling to the rafter just as I have been.

Spike you are a veteran who serve this country. You have my utmost respect for just that. Donald Trump took advantage of his families, wealth to duck the draft, and avoid serving in any kind a position in the military or the Peace Corps. He’s a huckster he’s a con artist he’s a liar, he is not fit to be your commander-in-chief. If anything, he’s a commander-in- THIEF.

bigalbert 05-15-2023 05:39 PM

Jaff you see the Durham report? Trump was right about everything.
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omahacolt 05-15-2023 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266353)
Jaff you see the Durham report? Trump was right about everything.
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highly unlikely this is holds much water

omahacolt 05-15-2023 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 266286)
Well, some people say that, some people say that's BS. Personally I don't know which side is telling the truth. Probably both sides are lying out of their ass. Again, I don't fucking know.

I do not watch any news channels, including Fox.

Really, the only thing that concerns me is my family, friends, and the great people of this country. And I see what the democrats are doing and it isn't good.

I live in California and I can tell you that democrats have fucked up this once great state. Nobody who lives in Cal. wants to go to LA or SF anymore.

Portland, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, Seattle, etc... and the list goes on are just a few cities I would never visit, all run by democrats.

I am neither a republican or democrat. But the reality is that the democrats are, IMHO, the bigger evil. That's why thousands are fleeing this state. Taxes and fines are way out of hand and the two cities I mentioned are shit holes now. I saw a clip the other day in which Sonny H said she would like Newsome as the president because he was good to look at. WTF? Is that how we are all voting for now. Hell, I should run for president then, I'm much better looking than him, LOL.

Just for the record, I don't watch the View.

Jaff alway posts shit here bashing Trump, which is his right. But I have never seen him bash any democrats, not one. Which in my opinion is what is wrong in this country. Both the republicans and democrats have done bad shit for this country.

Anybody who thinks Biden is doing a good job is fucking brain dead. I actually feel sorry for the guy, he's old and decrepit. If I was a family member, I would try and get him removed, or maybe not, then we would have Kamala as our President, that would be even worse.

As a veteran, I didn't sign up for this shit.

as a veteran, did you sign up for trumpers storming the capital? of course they tried to stop the election from being certified. that much is clearly obvious. he was telling pence not to certify the election. he did that publicly.

trump enjoyed continuing economic growth that started under obama. then covid happened and everything went to shit. i don't blame that on trump and i don't blame biden for what he is dealing with. especially considering the corporate price gouging that is destroying the working man. corporate profits are through the roof.

trumps tax cuts were a disaster for the working class. great for the rich. covid was great for the rich. these people are running the show. these people were trumps bosses and they are bidens boss.

your perception of how the country is doing is a direct reflection of the information you are consuming. pretending everything is bidens fault is just as bad as democrats blaming everything on trump.

we are on the same side. us arguing here over culture war bullshit is exactly what they want. i say it all the time and i experience it all the time. if everyone in this thread sat down for a beer or a cup of coffee, we would find we aren't far off on our values at all. common ground isn't far away at all.

trump is a piece of shit and biden is old and not fit for office. neither should be president.

Lov2fish 05-15-2023 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 266364)
highly unlikely this is holds much water

Why, because it proves the crayon eater didn't do the shit they said? Way to be completely unbiased. Exactly why tribal politics is farce. If it was Biden or Obama it would be perfectly acceptable I'll bet? Yea, you know I am 100% fucking right.

bigalbert 05-15-2023 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 266365)
as a veteran, did you sign up for trumpers storming the capital? of course they tried to stop the election from being certified. that much is clearly obvious. he was telling pence not to certify the election. he did that publicly.

trump enjoyed continuing economic growth that started under obama. then covid happened and everything went to shit. i don't blame that on trump and i don't blame biden for what he is dealing with. especially considering the corporate price gouging that is destroying the working man. corporate profits are through the roof.

trumps tax cuts were a disaster for the working class. great for the rich. covid was great for the rich. these people are running the show. these people were trumps bosses and they are bidens boss.

your perception of how the country is doing is a direct reflection of the information you are consuming. pretending everything is bidens fault is just as bad as democrats blaming everything on trump.

we are on the same side. us arguing here over culture war bullshit is exactly what they want. i say it all the time and i experience it all the time. if everyone in this thread sat down for a beer or a cup of coffee, we would find we aren't far off on our values at all. common ground isn't far away at all.

trump is a piece of shit and biden is old and not fit for office. neither should be president.


Trump tax cuts benefited the middle class more than any other cut in history. Even the New York Times published it. A family of 4 paid approximately 6000 less. I’m prolly upper middle class and I saved 3700. Please post facts


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JAFF 05-15-2023 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266353)
Jaff you see the Durham report? Trump was right about everything.
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If Hillary gets arrested, lets have a party.

Hillary vs Donnie = Hitler vs Stalin. Thats how far we have fallen.

omahacolt 05-15-2023 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lov2fish (Post 266367)
Why, because it proves the crayon eater didn't do the shit they said? Way to be completely unbiased. Exactly why tribal politics is farce. If it was Biden or Obama it would be perfectly acceptable I'll bet? Yea, you know I am 100% fucking right.

no

because the small amount i looked at read like an opinion piece. lets see some actual indictments from it. my guess is there really isn't much there but i will happily applaud the consequences of any wrongdoing if i am wrong.

dude i don't give a shit. if it is hillary, obama, trump or any politician, if you did some shit then you need to be held accountable like everyone else.

omahacolt 05-15-2023 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266368)
Trump tax cuts benefited the middle class more than any other cut in history. Even the New York Times published it. A family of 4 paid approximately 6000 less. I’m prolly upper middle class and I saved 3700. Please post facts


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you think that tax cut was for the middle class?

the tax cut that is going away for the middle class but the not for the top earners? pretty much anywhere you look it will tell you this was a huge win for the wealthiest people and corporations. i mean this isn't hard to look up

Colts And Orioles 05-16-2023 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 266317)



anyone who has read the New Testament and claims to be following the Bible to justify killing an innocent person is delusional. Anyone who claims Christianity authorizes killing an innocent human being is lying.





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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266319)



The Bible doesn’t end in the Old Testament. The crusades were against Gods will for mankind after the revelation of Christ. One quick read thru the New Testament reveals that. I live my life as Jesus taught me to do to the best of my human ability and I still fail. Many who say they are Christian are not. Satan is very powerful and has lead many down the path of destruction.




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Protestants and Catholics in northern Ireland have been killing each other by the thousands, for decades.

Anti-abortionists in this country murder doctors and bomb clinics, claiming to have the Bible and righteousness on their side.


Life is "sacred" in that those who stake a claim to that sentiment get to decide who lives and who dies.

o

Racehorse 05-16-2023 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 266376)
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Protestants and Catholics in northern Ireland have been killing each other by the thousands, for decades.

Anti-abortionists in this country murder doctors and bomb clinics, claiming to have the Bible and righteousness on their side.


Life is "sacred" in that those who stake a claim to that sentiment get to decide who lives and who dies.

o

Read what I said one more time. This time, read it without any hate in your heart.

JAFF 05-16-2023 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Colts And Orioles (Post 266376)
o


Protestants and Catholics in northern Ireland have been killing each other by the thousands, for decades.

Anti-abortionists in this country murder doctors and bomb clinics, claiming to have the Bible and righteousness on their side.


Life is "sacred" in that those who stake a claim to that sentiment get to decide who lives and who dies.

o

The far republican right; stop all abortions while handing teenagers a machine gun.

JAFF 05-16-2023 09:29 AM

A for effort
 
F for execution.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...cbb1e03b&ei=25

Glad they gave the dog a walk, he was being a good boy

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 05-16-2023 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266368)
Trump tax cuts benefited the middle class more than any other cut in history.

Please post facts


Could you provide the article which backs up that claim?

I searched online about 20-30 minutes last night and couldn't find any data to support such a claim although I didn't conduct an exhaustive search.

Lov2fish 05-16-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 266391)
Could you provide the article which backs up that claim?

I searched about 20-30 minutes last night and couldn't find any such claim although I didn't conduct an exhaustive search.

Don't be naïve, no tax cuts benefit constituents. They only benefit donors and political contributors. This is both parties. The more I read on the internet the better I understand just how retarded people are with political affiliations.

JAFF 05-16-2023 12:32 PM

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis does the white thing by banning DEI funding at universities
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...es/ar-AA1bdVV6

I dont understand this thinking. IF Ron gets the nomination, how can he win the presidential election with only the white vote? In the last 2 presidential election the Republicans did not win the popular vote. How does pissing on minorities and Mickey Mouse get you to the Oval office

JAFF 05-16-2023 12:37 PM

John Durham Owes the American People an Apolo
 
John Durham Owes the American People an Apology for Wasting Their Money

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ae431a40&ei=15

bigalbert 05-16-2023 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 266391)
Could you provide the article which backs up that claim?

I searched online about 20-30 minutes last night and couldn't find any data to support such a claim although I didn't conduct an exhaustive search.


Very easy to find. Most people “thought” they didn’t get a tax cut. Lol. Middle income with a big win
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JAFF 05-16-2023 01:32 PM

12-year-old boy armed with AR-15 rifle fatally shoots Sonic employee in Dallas-area s
 
12-year-old boy armed with AR-15 rifle fatally shoots Sonic employee in Dallas-area suburb

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...78a8b92a&ei=52

The republican plan: every 6th grader with a machine gun. Im betting you get worse service behind bullet proof glass

JAFF 05-16-2023 01:38 PM

That's an actual crime": Experts stunned at alleged Giuliani-Trump plot to sell pardo
 
That's an actual crime": Experts stunned at alleged Giuliani-Trump plot to sell pardons for $2M

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...23157568&ei=12

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 05-16-2023 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266399)
Very easy to find. Most people “thought” they didn’t get a tax cut. Lol. Middle income with a big win
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Sorry, I don't see how this graphic supports your claim.

Half of the data is just poll results - whether these Americans in the survey thought they got a tax cut.

The other half of the data just indicates whether those polled actually got a tax cut or not (and if you look at the note at the bottom of the graphic, the tax cut could be as low as $10).


Don't see any data that suggests this is a "big win" or that this particular tax cut benefitted the middle class moreso than previous tax cuts - unless you think $10 makes a big difference.

Still waiting for that news article.

JAFF 05-16-2023 01:40 PM

A series of crimes": Ex-prosecutor says new Trump election texts "more damning" than
 
A series of crimes": Ex-prosecutor says new Trump election texts "more damning" than Georgia call

https://www.salon.com/2023/04/24/a-s...-georgia-call/



Two men hired by former President Donald Trump's legal team discussed a plot to use data obtained from a breached Georgia voting machine as part of an attempt to decertify the state's 2021 U.S. Senate run-off election, according to CNN.

Jim Penrose, a former National Security Agency official who worked alongside Trump attorney Sidney Powell to access voting machines in Coffee County, Georgia, communicated with Doug Logan, CEO of a firm that allegedly runs audits of voting systems.

"Here's the plan. Let's keep this close hold," Penrose wrote. "We only have until Saturday to decide if we are going to use this report to try to decertify the Senate run-off election or if we hold it for a bigger moment," Penrose added, referring to a potential lawsuit related to the impending confirmation of Democrat Jon Ossoff's triumph in the runoff.

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CNN reported that the texts reveal the first instance in which Trump sympathizers contemplated using the data to overturn elections beyond the 2020 presidential race.

Georgia District Attorney Fani Willis is leading a criminal investigation into the scheme to breach voting systems. Willis has subpoenaed several individuals in connection to the probe, including Powell and former Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani. She has also subpoenaed both Penrose and Logan over their involvement in the Georgia runoff breach. CNN also reported that Willis' office is considering a potential racketeering case against multiple defendants.

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"What we have here is unauthorized access to this privileged computer data," Zeldin said. "There is a conspiracy to acquire and improperly distribute that data. There is probably a crime of interfering with the rights of the people of Georgia to have a free and fair election. And this is a series of crimes, a pattern of criminal activity, then it could possibly violate the Georgia RICO statute, which criminalizes a series of criminal activities by the same person or group of persons, so there's a lot at stake here."

Zeldin also said that the texts between Penrose and Logan are "more damning" than Trump's phone call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, in which Trump suggested that Raffensperger could "find" the 11,780 votes needed to flip the state election in his favor.

omahacolt 05-16-2023 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 266405)
Sorry, I don't see how this graphic supports your claim.

Half of the data is just poll results - whether these Americans in the survey thought they got a tax cut.

The other half of the data just indicates whether those polled actually got a tax cut or not (and if you look at the note at the bottom of the graphic, the tax cut could be as low as $10).


Don't see any data that suggests this is a "big win" or that this particular tax cut benefitted the middle class moreso than previous tax cuts - unless you think $10 makes a big difference.

Still waiting for that news article.

you won't find it because it doesn't exist.

bigalbert 05-16-2023 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 266405)
Sorry, I don't see how this graphic supports your claim.

Half of the data is just poll results - whether these Americans in the survey thought they got a tax cut.

The other half of the data just indicates whether those polled actually got a tax cut or not (and if you look at the note at the bottom of the graphic, the tax cut could be as low as $10).


Don't see any data that suggests this is a "big win" or that this particular tax cut benefitted the middle class moreso than previous tax cuts - unless you think $10 makes a big difference.

Still waiting for that news article.


The Times took their article down I guess because it credited Trump to much. Here a summation right from IRS data by The Hill
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bigalbert 05-16-2023 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 266436)
you won't find it because it doesn't exist.


The proof you’re gonna hate has been posted. By the way I saved 3700$ a year under the Trump cuts.


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bigalbert 05-16-2023 06:12 PM

https://heartland.org/wp-content/upl...cy%20Paper.pdf

Straight from the IRS


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AlwaysSunnyinIndy 05-16-2023 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bigalbert (Post 266437)
The Times took their article down I guess because it credited Trump to much. Here a summation right from IRS data by The Hill


Strike 2!!!

You still have not been able to support your claim.


Again, you stated the following:

Quote:

Trump tax cuts benefited the middle class more than any other cut in history.

Nothing that you have provided thus far has proven that statement as a fact.

At this point, I think you made it up.


I am not disputing that the Trump tax cut provided reductions across many different income levels.

What I am disputing is that this was the biggest middle class tax cut in history - which you presented as a "fact."

Also - the Hill opinion piece (it was an opinion piece, not a news story) that you provided is a bit dated and some of the author's conclusions didn't hold up in Year 2 of the tax cuts.

bigalbert 05-16-2023 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 266445)
Strike 2!!!

You still have not been able to support your claim.


Again, you stated the following:




Nothing that you have provided thus far has proven that statement as a fact.

At this point, I think you made it up.


I am not disputing that the Trump tax cut provided reductions across many different income levels.

What I am disputing is that this was the biggest middle class tax cut in history - which you presented as a "fact."

Also - the Hill opinion piece (it was an opinion piece, not a news story) that you provided is a bit dated and some of the author's conclusions didn't hold up in Year 2 of the tax cuts.


It was in the article but has been taken down. I personally have never had my tax liability lowered by more dollars than the Trump tax legislation. I’ve been paying taxes for 40+ years. Where you might be correct is if they adjusted for inflation. I guess I was talking in terms of straight dollars. I believe the top 20% pay 95% of the taxes in this country. I don’t even know wether I’m in that or not but I pay right close to 6 figures and I never complain about a tax cut. I can now only present my case from my personal experience. So you’re right, I can’t prove it for everyone. That Times article also said that close to 90% of Americans benefited in one way or another from the tax cuts. That’s all I got


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JAFF 05-17-2023 05:52 AM

Miller lite goes woke
 
https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/...ip-orig-jc.cnn

JAFF 05-17-2023 05:56 AM

Jaws for real
 
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/0...contd-vpx.kitv

Gonna need a bigger boat


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