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Chromeburn 04-24-2020 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 159897)
The tweet from the Colts twitter account indicates pick 197 was sent to Detroit.

https://twitter.com/Colts/status/1253869495027933185

Got our pick back.

Dam8610 04-24-2020 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 159894)
This is seriously one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever seen you say.

A Day 3 guy? On what planet?

Tiki Barber was a good RB who almost got cut because of fumble issues. He fixed it, and became one of the top 5 RBs in the NFL for several years. Hopefully Taylor can do the same, but a RB with fumble problems and high mileage is like a WR who can't catch or run routes.

Hoopsdoc 04-24-2020 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 159892)
I hope he proves me wrong, but he has a serious fumbling problem and a lot of mileage on him already. Also, I find it funny that some here always bring up my "obsession" with 40 times and you're using a 40 time as justification for this pick. Edwards-Helaire ran a 4.6 and I'd've taken him over Taylor in a heartbeat.



They took a Day 3 guy at 41 is what I'm saying. Again, I hope he proves me wrong, but a RB with a fumbling problem and high mileage is like a WR who can't catch or run routes. Why would I care how good the positives are at that point?

I’m just saying this guy fit Ballards profile to a T. In hindsight, it should have been obvious. Mack isn’t getting another contract, Wilkins is a good but limited player, and Hines is a classic 3rd down back. There’s a big need for a player like Taylor.

They obviously feel like they can coach the wrinkles out of him. Let’s hope they’re right.

Dam8610 04-24-2020 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 159903)
We are waiting Dammy, Taylor is a great pick, as was Nelson last year :cool:

Nelson was 2 years ago, and I said at the time the only way he'd be worth the pick was if he was HOF level. Turned out he was.

Chromeburn 04-24-2020 10:41 PM

Interview with Michael Pittman on NFL radio.

Says he was really hoping they would pick him when the Indy pick came up.

Thinks he fits into our offense well and thinks he can learn a lot from Philip and TY. Can't wait to get to Indy and play ball.

He will be learning virtually somehow in the meantime.

All the talks with the Colts staff makes him think he will fit in perfectly and how they see him in the offense.

smitty46953 04-24-2020 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 159908)
Nelson was 2 years ago, and I said at the time the only way he'd be worth the pick was if he was HOF level. Turned out he was.

Just admit it

Originally Posted by omahacolt View Post
i was wrong.

smitty46953 04-24-2020 10:44 PM

Shit, Broncos got Cushenberry :eek:

Chromeburn 04-24-2020 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 159915)
Shit, Broncos got Cushenberry :eek:

They are having a good draft

Thorgrim 04-24-2020 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Smooth (Post 159891)
Got the crystal ball out tonight? Who are we taking at 85?

Usually only during a game but I’m thinking qb. Not that I necessarily think we should.

YDFL Commish 04-24-2020 10:47 PM

I would really love a TE here. Not sure which one, Trautman, Bryant, Hopkins?

Thorgrim 04-24-2020 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 159898)
Good move.



I don't feel the need to mindlessly applaud every pick. I praised the Pittman pick because I thought it was a good one. I don't like the Taylor pick. GMs do make mistakes, and even the best miss on (typically more than) 50% of their picks. The trade was good as well, but you don't have to be a mindless sheep. Critical thinking is allowed.

Agreed.

Racehorse 04-24-2020 10:49 PM

Waiting for the meltdown at 85

Racehorse 04-24-2020 10:50 PM

There's our safety!

smitty46953 04-24-2020 10:50 PM

Julian Blackmon Utah S 6'1" 195

Maniac 04-24-2020 10:51 PM

Julian Blackmon is a playmaker. I like it.

YDFL Commish 04-24-2020 10:52 PM

Malik Booker will have to step it up.

Brylok 04-24-2020 10:53 PM

So I sit here waiting for 40 minutes, sitting thru ads and inane commentary and video packages about players and teams I care nothing about...and they skip right over the Colts pick. WTF? Fuck you ABC/ESPN! I'm out.

Racehorse 04-24-2020 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 159924)
Malik Booker will have to step it up.

Booker?

Chromeburn 04-24-2020 10:54 PM

ESPN just skipped it. Went straight to the Bills pick. back to back Utah players

Brylok 04-24-2020 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 159924)
Malik Booker will have to step it up.

Hooker is probably going to be traded.

YDFL Commish 04-24-2020 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brylok (Post 159925)
so i sit here waiting for 40 minutes, sitting thru ads and inane commentary and video packages about players and teams i care nothing about...and they skip right over the colts pick. Wtf? Fuck you abc/espn! I'm out.

nfl network

Chromeburn 04-24-2020 10:59 PM

ESPN has very little. Guess he tore his ACL in the pac 12 champ game. Found this blurb.

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Blackmon, a true senior in 2019, was named an All-Pac-12 corner twice and an All-Pac-12 safety in 2019. He plays the ball not the man in zone and has enough range to cover a deep half. He's not a center fielder. He lacks ideal recovery speed. He picked off nine passes over the past three seasons. He flashes above-average ball skills. He's willing to square up in run support and he tends to limit production after the catch. Sub-par angles lead to some missed tackles. He sustained a noncontact knee injury in the Pac-12 championship game and did not work out at the combine. -- March 2020

Dam8610 04-24-2020 10:59 PM

Like the Blackmon pick. He stood out on film as I was watching other players as I recall. Colts needed a S for big nickle packages.

YDFL Commish 04-24-2020 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Racehorse (Post 159926)
Booker?

.

You know what I meant?

Chromeburn 04-24-2020 11:10 PM

https://twitter.com/i/status/1253880784953282561

Some more on Blackmon

Dam8610 04-24-2020 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 159928)
Hooker is probably going to be traded.

I don't think so. Blackmon and Willis are more of the big nickel/box safety type of players. I think Blackmon signifies that Geathers won't be back and the Colts want to have a good big nickel package.

Luck4Reich 04-25-2020 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 159878)

I did not realize that he ran the fastest 40 of any running back.

Shocked that Dam isn’t in love:D

omahacolt 04-25-2020 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 159827)
Just wanted to chime in. Mack will be gone after this yr!!!!!

Good good good. I'm getting my wish finally!!!!!!!!!

You are weird

IndyNorm 04-25-2020 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 159925)
So I sit here waiting for 40 minutes, sitting thru ads and inane commentary and video packages about players and teams I care nothing about...and they skip right over the Colts pick. WTF? Fuck you ABC/ESPN! I'm out.

Which feed were you watching? I was watching the ESPN and they showed some highlights (which were really impressive BTW) and said that he started at CB for 2 years then switched to S and was all PAC 12 and 2nd team AA. Also, said he tore his ACL in the PAC 12 championship game. One of the commentators said that he was happy to see him drafted here b/c he's a really productive play maker and was concerned he'd drop b/c of his injury.

Hoopsdoc 04-25-2020 09:43 AM

I’ll reserve judgment on Blackmon until I see him play.

Lol. Upon viewing some YouTube highlights, I realized that one of the highlights they showed of Pittman was him abusing Blackmon on a touchdown catch. Although, to be fair, I believe that was Blackmon’s 2nd game at safety.

Seems like a guy with good athleticism and average instincts.

IndyNorm 04-25-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 159928)
Hooker is probably going to be traded.

Probably not b/c Blackmon won't be ready to play until mid season at the earliest.

Thorgrim 04-25-2020 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 159971)
I’ll reserve judgment on Blackmon until I see him play.

Lol. Upon viewing some YouTube highlights, I realized that one of the highlights they showed of Pittman was him abusing Blackmon on a touchdown catch. Although, to be fair, I believe that was Blackmon’s 2nd game at safety.

Seems like a guy with good athleticism and average instincts.

Pittman is going to abuse many more safeties with his physical game.

Oldcolt 04-25-2020 10:26 AM

I hope we keep Hooker. You can never have enough defensive backs in this league. We are getting a lot of versatility back there

IndyNorm 04-25-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nate505 (Post 159894)
This is seriously one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever seen you say.

A Day 3 guy? On what planet?

That might be the dumbest thing Dam has said since Pagano was fired. I would have rather had seen us draft Delpit or OL/DL there and also think Dobbins will make a better NFL RB (although another RB went ahead of Dobbins as well, so maybe there's some issues there that I'm not seeing). But Taylor was clearly a great college RB, had a hell of a 40 time (especially with his size), and worth a 2nd round pick. His fumbling is definitely a concern, but our coaches must think they can fix that (could be wrong, but didn't Mack have fumbling issues in college as well?). If they do the Taylor could prove to be a great pick.

Oldcolt 04-25-2020 10:39 AM

I like the Taylor pick a lot because I think it shows that Ballard does not plan on spending big money on re signing running backs. You can get by easily with backs on their rookie contracts and save your money for harder positions to fill. Forward thinking and smart.

Pittman will hopefully be what they wanted in Funches. Reich really must want a big body wr

rm1369 04-25-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 159981)
I like the Taylor pick a lot because I think it shows that Ballard does not plan on spending big money on re signing running backs. You can get by easily with backs on their rookie contracts and save your money for harder positions to fill. Forward thinking and smart.

Agreed. I think you’d be smart to never give a RB a second contract. Almost never works out these days.

Dam8610 04-25-2020 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 159979)
That might be the dumbest thing Dam has said since Pagano was fired. I would have rather had seen us draft Delpit or OL/DL there and also think Dobbins will make a better NFL RB (although another RB went ahead of Dobbins as well, so maybe there's some issues there that I'm not seeing). But Taylor was clearly a great college RB, had a hell of a 40 time (especially with his size), and worth a 2nd round pick. His fumbling is definitely a concern, but our coaches must think they can fix that (could be wrong, but didn't Mack have fumbling issues in college as well?). If they do the Taylor could prove to be a great pick.

What day was Mack drafted on? Taylor's issues are too big to have drafted him as high as he was drafted in my opinion. You can mindlessly applaud the pick if you'd like, I'm not going to like this pick because I see Taylor in the same vein as a WR who has a "lot of talent", but can't catch or run routes. Obviously the Colts invested a lot in Taylor, so I hope the coaches can fix his issues and turn him into a top end RB, but there's a lot to be nervous about there, and as you said, the Colts could've gotten a better player in Grant Delpit. Why not just do that if you're going to waste draft capital moving up?

Hoopsdoc 04-25-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 159993)
What day was Mack drafted on? Taylor's issues are too big to have drafted him as high as he was drafted in my opinion. You can mindlessly applaud the pick if you'd like, I'm not going to like this pick because I see Taylor in the same vein as a WR who has a "lot of talent", but can't catch or run routes. Obviously the Colts invested a lot in Taylor, so I hope the coaches can fix his issues and turn him into a top end RB, but there's a lot to be nervous about there, and as you said, the Colts could've gotten a better player in Grant Delpit. Why not just do that if you're going to waste draft capital moving up?

Wait, you’re comparing Taylor to a wide receiver who can’t catch or run routes? Really?

That’s really dumb.

Dam8610 04-25-2020 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 159996)
Wait, you’re comparing Taylor to a wide receiver who can’t catch or run routes? Really?

That’s really dumb.

We'll see how you feel about it when he fumbles away a win.

IndyNorm 04-25-2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 159993)
What day was Mack drafted on? Taylor's issues are too big to have drafted him as high as he was drafted in my opinion. You can mindlessly applaud the pick if you'd like, I'm not going to like this pick because I see Taylor in the same vein as a WR who has a "lot of talent", but can't catch or run routes. Obviously the Colts invested a lot in Taylor, so I hope the coaches can fix his issues and turn him into a top end RB, but there's a lot to be nervous about there, and as you said, the Colts could've gotten a better player in Grant Delpit. Why not just do that if you're going to waste draft capital moving up?

I'm not mindlessly applauding the Taylor pick at all. As you noticed I said I would have rather had us draft Delpit or Dobbins (Delpit BTW has red flags too as he apparently under performed and missed a lot of tackles this past year). Unlike you though, I haven't lost my shit over the pick and I haven't convinced myself that Taylor is garbage. The dude has elite speed and averaged 2,200 yards from scrimmage and 18 TDs a season, so let's not pretend that he's a bum.


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