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Dam8610 03-10-2019 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 112050)
At the time he was a better option. But I think it all worked out for the best. And I didn't want him after hearing all the crap that happened in Tampa.

I don't know about being a better option. Trading Khalil Mack is a really dumb idea.

Chromeburn 03-10-2019 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 112058)
I don't know about being a better option. Trading Khalil Mack is a really dumb idea.

I think he is a better coach than Pagano. I don't think he wanted to trade Mack, he tried to keep him. But he did get pretty good compensation for him. Look at the Giants who could have traded Collins, now he leaves and they will just get a compensation pick. Gruden is going full rebuild aiming for a good team when they hit Vegas.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-10-2019 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 112059)
I think he is a better coach than Pagano


That is not a very high bar to meet.

There are lots of head coaches who are better than Pagano.

JAFF 03-10-2019 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 112059)
I think he is a better coach than Pagano. I don't think he wanted to trade Mack, he tried to keep him. But he did get pretty good compensation for him. Look at the Giants who could have traded Collins, now he leaves and they will just get a compensation pick. Gruden is going full rebuild aiming for a good team when they hit Vegas.

My 9 year old grand son would be a better coach then Pagano.

Chromeburn 03-10-2019 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 112076)
My 9 year old grand son would be a better coach then Pagano.

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 112062)
That is not a very high bar to meet.

There are lots of head coaches who are better than Pagano.

I know, and that was why Colts fans were interested in Gruden. He was the biggest name at the time.

smitty46953 03-10-2019 11:27 PM

Gary Klein‏Verified account @LATimesklein

Rams announce they have agreed to terms with edge rusher Dante Fowler

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smitty46953 03-10-2019 11:28 PM

Raiders re-signed DT Jonathan Hankins to a two-year contract.


Hankins started 14 games for the Raiders last year after experiencing a surprisingly quiet market following his mid-March release from the Colts. Only 27, Hankins was serviceable against the run on 573 snaps in Oakland but offered very little up the middle from a pass rushing perspective. He's ranked No. 22 overall among interior defensive linemen in Evan Silva's Free Agent Tracker.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

‎Mar‎ ‎10‎, ‎2019‎ ‎7‎:‎48‎ ‎PM

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Coltsalr 03-11-2019 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 112059)
I think he is a better coach than Pagano. I don't think he wanted to trade Mack, he tried to keep him. But he did get pretty good compensation for him. Look at the Giants who could have traded Collins, now he leaves and they will just get a compensation pick. Gruden is going full rebuild aiming for a good team when they hit Vegas.

And I mean, if we look at what he got:

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Net for the 3 major Raiders trades.

Raiders give up:

Khalil Mack
Amari Cooper
2019 3rd round
2019 5th round
2020 2nd round
2020 6th round

In exchange for:

Antonio Brown
2019 1st round
2019 1st round
2020 1st round
2020 2nd round
2020 5th round
He's already managed to turn Amari Cooper into Antonio Brown

If he turns Khalil Mack into Quinnen Williams and Montez Sweat, then it's possible he's upgraded there too.

And he'd still be sitting on a SLEW of draft picks from there.

Now, yes, I will agree that it's entirely possible that he still manages to fuck it up. But right now, it looks like there could be a method to his madness.

Colt Classic 03-11-2019 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JAFF (Post 112076)
My 9 year old grand son would be a better coach then Pagano.

Maybe...has he been taught that iron sharpens iron?

Coltsalr 03-11-2019 08:18 AM

@JasonLaCanfora
Will be a ton of action on pass rushers this week. DET and MIA are big on Flowers. Hear IND, OAK, SF, NYJ among those courting Z. Smith. Some Ravens players think Suggs heading to AZ. Cam Wake could be in line for $10M/yr or more.

smitty46953 03-11-2019 09:42 AM

Lions signed Danny Amendola to a one-year, $4.5 million contract.


Cut by the Dolphins last week, Amendola was linked with a return to New England, but he instead signs with Patriots North -- GM Bob Quinn and coach Matt Patricia both made their names in New England. It is not a blockbuster signing for the Lions, but they needed someone to occupy the middle of the field with Marvin Jones and Kenny Golladay on the outside. Even at 33, Amendola should be able to handle that job for one season.

Source: Dianna Russini on Twitter

‎Mar‎ ‎11‎, ‎2019‎ ‎8‎:‎18‎ ‎AM

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VeveJones007 03-11-2019 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 112115)
And I mean, if we look at what he got:



He's already managed to turn Amari Cooper into Antonio Brown

If he turns Khalil Mack into Quinnen Williams and Montez Sweat, then it's possible he's upgraded there too.

And he'd still be sitting on a SLEW of draft picks from there.

Now, yes, I will agree that it's entirely possible that he still manages to fuck it up. But right now, it looks like there could be a method to his madness.

Are you saying the Raiders will move up for Sweat? No way he lasts until 24.

Dam8610 03-11-2019 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 112115)
And I mean, if we look at what he got:



He's already managed to turn Amari Cooper into Antonio Brown

If he turns Khalil Mack into Quinnen Williams and Montez Sweat, then it's possible he's upgraded there too.

And he'd still be sitting on a SLEW of draft picks from there.

Now, yes, I will agree that it's entirely possible that he still manages to fuck it up. But right now, it looks like there could be a method to his madness.

Quinnen Williams won't last to 4 and Montez Sweat won't last to 24. If the Cardinals actually take Murray, they could get Nick Bosa and Christian Wilkins. If Bosa lives up to the hype, that might be better overall, but that takes you from certainty to uncertainty.

VeveJones007 03-11-2019 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 112133)
Quinnen Williams won't last to 4 and Montez Sweat won't last to 24. If the Cardinals actually take Murray, they could get Nick Bosa and Christian Wilkins. If Bosa lives up to the hype, that might be better overall, but that takes you from certainty to uncertainty.

I don't understand how you see Bosa potentially falling to 4, but not Williams. No way Bosa goes past SF at 2. I could see Williams dropping to 4 if the Jets move out (Giants moving up for Haskins?) or if the Jets decide they like Allen better.

Chromeburn 03-11-2019 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 112115)
And I mean, if we look at what he got:

He's already managed to turn Amari Cooper into Antonio Brown

If he turns Khalil Mack into Quinnen Williams and Montez Sweat, then it's possible he's upgraded there too.

And he'd still be sitting on a SLEW of draft picks from there.

Now, yes, I will agree that it's entirely possible that he still manages to fuck it up. But right now, it looks like there could be a method to his madness.


Cooper was mailing it in for them so I am not surprised they traded him. They get a better receiver albeit an older one and a 1st round pick. Brown is kind of nuts, but he will play hard.

Brown will be the number one for a few years while they groom some young guys. They can dump him in two years if they want to. Brown doesn't take a lot of hits so he should be able to play for a little while.

Mack was a bad loss, but if the Cardinals pick that short QB the Raiders will get one of the top three defenders, probably Allen. But the Jets should take Allen because he fits their D better leaving Williams for the Raiders. Williams would be a waste as a 5-tech end and even more of a waste at NT. Then they have the other 1st round picks which they might trade down with like Gruden said he wanted to.

They still have to pick good players, but they have an excellent opportunity to build for the future.

Coltsalr 03-11-2019 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 112132)
Are you saying the Raiders will move up for Sweat? No way he lasts until 24.

Yes, purely hypothetical, but with their two other 1st rounders, they'd have the ammo to go up and get him.

I was throwing him out there purely as hypothetical. Any other edge rusher they could go up to get would work.

Coltsalr 03-11-2019 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 112138)
Cooper was mailing it in for them so I am not surprised they traded him. They get a better receiver albeit an older one and a 1st round pick. Brown is kind of nuts, but he will play hard.

Brown will be the number one for a few years while they groom some young guys. They can dump him in two years if they want to. Brown doesn't take a lot of hits so he should be able to play for a little while.

Mack was a bad loss, but if the Cardinals pick that short QB the Raiders will get one of the top three defenders, probably Allen. But the Jets should take Allen because he fits their D better leaving Williams for the Raiders. Williams would be a waste as a 5-tech end and even more of a waste at NT. Then they have the other 1st round picks which they might trade down with like Gruden said he wanted to.

They still have to pick good players, but they have an excellent opportunity to build for the future.

Yup, I think that if they play their cards right that they could turn in something quite good.

Sort of like how the Colts had a free shot at Bradley Chubb last year, and while some argued that the Colts passing him up while having pass rush deficiencies was unforgivable, look at what the Jets bounty brought Ballard (and will still bring him in 2019 draft).

Gruden absolutely could still fuck it up though, do not get me wrong.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 03-11-2019 11:14 AM

Malik Jackson to Eagles - 3 year contract for $30MM

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/sta...24101591650304


Obviously, Malik wanted out of the AFC South to get away from Big Q!!!! :D

Dam8610 03-11-2019 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 112136)
I don't understand how you see Bosa potentially falling to 4, but not Williams. No way Bosa goes past SF at 2. I could see Williams dropping to 4 if the Jets move out (Giants moving up for Haskins?) or if the Jets decide they like Allen better.

I don't see Williams dropping past 2. Bosa has the most question marks of the top 3 DL/EDGE guys, and I could easily see Williams and Allen going 2 and 3 after Murray if he goes 1. Williams should go 1, of course, but the Cardinals have an odd strategy it seems.

Chaka 03-11-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 112142)
Yup, I think that if they play their cards right that they could turn in something quite good.

Sort of like how the Colts had a free shot at Bradley Chubb last year, and while some argued that the Colts passing him up while having pass rush deficiencies was unforgivable, look at what the Jets bounty brought Ballard (and will still bring him in 2019 draft).

Gruden absolutely could still fuck it up though, do not get me wrong.

Signing a disgruntled 31-year old receiver to a 3-year $54 million contract, with $30 million guaranteed, seems like a very Raiders-like thing to do.

VeveJones007 03-11-2019 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 112170)
I don't see Williams dropping past 2. Bosa has the most question marks of the top 3 DL/EDGE guys, and I could easily see Williams and Allen going 2 and 3 after Murray if he goes 1. Williams should go 1, of course, but the Cardinals have an odd strategy it seems.

49ers need at EDGE trumps your view of Williams as the better player.

Dam8610 03-11-2019 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 112191)
49ers need at EDGE trumps your view of Williams as the better player.

Not if what they're looking for is pass rush.

Coltsalr 03-11-2019 01:24 PM

@JasonLaCanfora
Tyrell Williams remains, far and set away the best outside WR available on the FA market, and, to many evaluators, the only true starter at that spot. IND, CLE, NYJ, BUF among those linked to him. OAK was very much before landing AB.

VeveJones007 03-11-2019 01:53 PM

Kwon Alexander to 49ers for 4/54MM ($27MM guaranteed). Wow that’s a nice deal for him. Market looks pretty high at the moment.

Coltsalr 03-11-2019 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 112215)
Kwon Alexander to 49ers for 4/54MM ($27MM guaranteed). Wow that’s a nice deal for him. Market looks pretty high at the moment.

I'd imagine we'll be priced right out of CJ Mosley.

Dam8610 03-11-2019 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 112215)
Kwon Alexander to 49ers for 4/54MM ($27MM guaranteed). Wow that’s a nice deal for him. Market looks pretty high at the moment.

Damn, I thought he'd go for a bargain. Barr and Mosley are going to get PAID.

VeveJones007 03-11-2019 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 112224)
I'd imagine we'll be priced right out of CJ Mosley.

Agreed, though I always expected that. The upgrade from Walker to Mosley is marginal (at best) and not worth the contract.

VeveJones007 03-11-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 112225)
Damn, I thought he'd go for a bargain. Barr and Mosley are going to get PAID.

Sounds to me like you haven't paid enough attention to the 49ers and Jets. Those two teams are going to spend a boatload this free agency. Mosley is probably a Jet for 4/60-70 now.


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