There is absolutely nothing to be gained by moving up in this draft, not from the 4 spot. If there was a generational talent there, maybe, but there isn't.

In fact, I'd be willing to trade down 3-4 spots if someone offered up a nice enough bounty.

If there is an obvious generational talent there you wouldn’t be able to swing the trade. That’s the issue - you aren’t going to trade up for a Manning or Luck level obvious talent. So you trust your scouts and evaluations. If you believe there is a franchise guy there you go get him. If you don’t or you have all 3 rated similarly you stay where you are. If you hate all three then you trade down - but you better find a QB of the future this off season. This “luck” into a QB while building a team is BS and has been BS since day one. You don’t fucking plan to “luck” into something- especially the most important and most sought after position in sports. Do your fucking homework, make a decision and be aggressive. If it fails, it fails. What they’ve been doing was damn near guaranteed to fail and has. It’s also creating a shit load of apathy and distrust in the fan base.

I'm waiting for it. Heads will EXPLODE.

Not so sure about that. You are correct that moving up mostly does not work. If you know how to evaluate though it can, look at Mahones and KC. Problem is I don't think most of us trust the people making the decisions.

Mock has us going up to # 1 to get Young.
https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-...de-bryce-young

If so, it's going to be a 10 year slog of complete shit. Dude has wonderful accuracy and is apparently a top notch man. His offensive line is ass. He will make some plays in year 1 that will remind us of Michael Vick and we'll be excited for year 2. Year 2 he will begin to have injury issues and by year 3 will be David Carr / Robert Griffin, so shell shocked and broken inside that by year 5, will be wearing a blazer with a mic in his hand calling our games instead of playing in them.

Man Irsay CANNOT go this route!

How did he do or how did Ohio State do? Ohio State did terribly because their run defense broke at the end of the game. Stroud did fine, threw for 349 and 2 TDs on 65% passing. Also had 2 INTs, but both of those were after the game was out of reach and he was trying to hero ball them back into it. Again, not really much of an argument here.

I wouldn't go up to 1 for Young, but I would for Stroud.

Look if we end up with Stroud I’m not gonna be upset believe that… the most important in all of this may be coach/ OC. Levis just screams Irsay/Ballard type of guy. I guess will see but if it’s up to Irsay he’ll be drafting Levis

Hopefully Irsay will delegate to his smarter football people then, who will trade up for Stroud.

Unless those involved feel like Levis at 4 is just fine, how pissed will you be when they trade up to 1 and draft Levis?