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HoosierinFL 04-25-2018 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rm1369 (Post 64213)
At what point would he be worth the risk? Guy has some physical talents to go along with the limitation.
Right, so some say he could be worth a late 1st round, early 2nd round pick if he had 2 hands. His speed, leadership, and football IQ all support that. So I understand he drops because of the hand - rounds 3-4 seem the popular opinion in most mocks.
But the question is what is his position - VeveJones said you can't play him at WLB, but really that seems to be his ideal spot because he is probably not big enough to play OLB in 3-4 defenses. But his tape says he can tackle in the open field and that's what you want from the WLB.

HoosierinFL 04-25-2018 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64226)
Surprised this is even a question. He's obviously a situational pass rusher in passing situations. Do you really want him to try and wrap up a TE or RB with a head of steam in the open field?

You have to be comfortable with him on ST to warrant a spot on the roster. I'm not sure he will.
If he can't tackle, you don't draft him. His tape says he can tackle.

VeveJones007 04-25-2018 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 64232)
If he can't tackle, you don't draft him. His tape says he can tackle.
Sorry, but his tape doesn't tell you he can tackle Derrick Henry with a head of steam. In the NFL, he is going to have to make plays in the backfield. It's his only chance.

It's a matter of weight ratios. A five pound bird can't carry a ten point coconut.

rm1369 04-25-2018 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64236)
Sorry, but his tape doesn't tell you he can tackle Derrick Henry with a head of steam. In the NFL, he is going to have to make plays in the backfield. It's his only chance.

It's a matter of weight ratios. A five pound bird can't carry a ten point coconut.
I’m not sure it’s quite as big an issue as you make it out to be. Or, more accurately, I’m not as certain as you seem to be that it will be an issue. Although I agree it could be and I’d need to see him overcome it at the NFL level to believe he can be a full time player you can depend on every snap. To me that keeps him out of consideration until round 4. With his upside and intangibles I’d happily grab him in round 4, but I doubt he’ll be there. Someone is going to take a chance on him. There is way to much to like for them not to.

Colt Classic 04-25-2018 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 64193)
Now that Ballard has confirmed that John Simon is a DE in the new scheme, we have ZERO viable starting calibre LBs on the roster.



40 times from Combine or Pro Day of draftee LBs:

4.38 = Shaquem Griffin, Central Florida * (WSLB)
4.51 = Roquan Smith, Georgia * (MLB)
4.52 = Malik Jefferson, Texas * (WSLB)
4.53 = Jerone Baker, Ohio State
4.54 = Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech * (MLB)
4.59 = Genard Avery, Memphis
4.59 = Oren Burks, Vanderbilt
4.61 = Dorian O'Daniel, Clemson
4.63 = Andre Smith, North Carolina
4.64 = Fred Warner, BYU
4.65 = Leighton Vander Esch, Boise State * (WSLB)
4.66 = Micah Kiser, Virginia

==== Speed Break ? ====

4.70 = Darius Leonard, South Carolina
4.75 = Rashaan Evans, Alabama (Did not run at Combine or Pro Day. This numbers is from an Alabama football fan website from "team" numbers" from the 2017 season. His 2016 time was 4.65 and his 2015 time was 4.60)
4.75 = Christian Sam, Arizona State
4.76 = Mike McCray, Michigan
4.77 = Tegray Scales, Indiana
4.82 = Josey Jewell, Iowa

* = Guys I like as probably starters on a Colts 4-3 defense in 2018.

My guess is that we will get a max of two LBs drafted and then either have to produce a SSLB from our internal guys or potential veteran free agents still on the market like Kevin Minter or Gerald Hodges.

I really think that we need to come out of this draft with two LBs picked in the first 3 rounds of the draft. We really have no one on the roster currently who inspires confidence at the positions.

Walk Worthy,
Venturi was on Dakich's show today and in his analysis of Roquan Smith he seemed to project Smith as WILL that could play MIKE in a pinch.

VeveJones007 04-25-2018 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 64267)
Venturi was on Dakich's show today and in his analysis of Roquan Smith he seemed to project Smith as WILL that could play MIKE in a pinch.
Doesn’t understand the modern NFL if that’s his assessment. Look at Bobby Wagner. Look at Deion Jones.

YDFL Commish 04-25-2018 08:12 PM
I would draft Shaquem, as a 4-3 WILL in 3rd round, but no earlier.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 09:11 AM
Schefter says there’s a growing belief around the league that the Browns are going to take Mayfield #1.

NFL Network has a report saying Barkley is the pick at 2.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 10:08 AM
Per Matt Miller:

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Indianapolis Colts: The Colts have already traded back once and won't be afraid to do it again if NC State edge-rusher Bradley Chubb is off the board. I've heard consistently from scouts that they like Georgia linebacker Roquan Smith, but they might be able to slide back, let a team come up for a quarterback and still get him or another blue-chip player.
Eric Edholm also has said the Colts love Smith.

Colt Classic 04-26-2018 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64270)
Doesn’t understand the modern NFL if that’s his assessment. Look at Bobby Wagner. Look at Deion Jones.
Ah Bobby Wagner explains it all. In the same segment he mentioned how much he despises the move to Seattle style defenses with one safety over top and leaving corners out on an island (If that summary is wrong, that's me not recalling how he described it--his complaint made sense at the time regardless of whether or not it's valid). So yeah, he was probably thinking how he would do things.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 64341)
Ah Bobby Wagner explains it all. In the same segment he mentioned how much he despises the move to Seattle style defenses with one safety over top and leaving corners out on an island. So yeah, he was probably thinking how he would do things.
I've never heard anyone describe a Cover-3 as "leaving corners out on an island." WTH is he talking about?

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 10:21 AM
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@nfldraftscout

10am "What I'm Hearing" update:

1 Baker
2 Saquon
3 Darnold
Bills want Allen (and if we're placing bets on who leaked the Allen tweets from high school, I'm going with them), so they'll be looking to move up to get him. If the Browns are really interested in moving back, we could see:

4-Allen
5-QB (trade) or Nelson
6-Chubb (or trade)

I have a good feeling about tonight.

Colt Classic 04-26-2018 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64342)
I've never heard anyone describe a Cover-3 as "leaving corners out on an island." WTH is he talking about?
You'd have to listen to the segment. It usually goes over my head especially if I'm trying to recall what was said from several hours ago. Like I said, I'm just paraphrasing. Dakich doesn't (and really no one on local radio) know enough football X's & O's to ever call Venturi out on something like that so who knows what he really means.

http://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/dan-...could-be-fatal

There's the show link to his segment.

The quote is around 24 to 25 minutes in.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 11:22 AM
Per Greg Gabriel:

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As of yesterday morning, I was told the (Browns) coaching staff and some of Dorsey’s top lieutenants did not know who the pick would be. They were supposedly informed yesterday afternoon.

I’m also told that the scouting staff was under the assumption that the pick would be Mayfield but they weren’t sure because they hadn’t yet been definitively told.
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The hot player right now in the top 10 is Georgia linebacker Roquan Smith. He could come off the board as early as four and no later than eight. It is Smith — not Tremaine Edmunds — who is considered by almost all as the top linebacker in this draft.
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I’ve been told that San Francisco (No. 9 overall) wants Smith but won’t be able to get him unless the Niners trade up. Their fall-back guy is said to be Notre Dame offensive tackle Mike McGlinchey.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 11:43 AM
If Chubb, Smith, and Edmunds are all there at 6, I wonder if the Bears might be willing to come up for Chubb.

Indiana V2 04-26-2018 12:13 PM
Getting anxious for the draft to start, hope things fall our way where we can gain some more picks, but not miss out on top tier talent doing so.

HoosierinFL 04-26-2018 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64342)
I've never heard anyone describe a Cover-3 as "leaving corners out on an island." WTH is he talking about?
Well it does require the CBs to cover the deep zones on each side of the field, but it also helps when you have a rangy ball-hawking FS (i.e., Malik Hooker) who can assist the CBs when the ball is thrown to the deep corners.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by HoosierinFL (Post 64359)
Well it does require the CBs to cover the deep zones on each side of the field, but it also helps when you have a rangy ball-hawking FS (i.e., Malik Hooker) who can assist the CBs when the ball is thrown to the deep corners.
Yeah, I've just never heard of corners in zone coverage described as "being on an island." That usually refers to man coverage without safety help over the top.

It also seems to be a perfect fit for the Colts current safeties. Hooker can play the middle of the field and Geathers can come into the box. They really need rangy LBs who can cover crossing routes, which is why I think Smith is the pick if Chubb isn't there.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 01:16 PM
McShay and Josina Anderson disagree on #1. Tonight is going to be amazing theatre.

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@McShay13
Everyone seems convinced it’s Baker to Cleveland. I’m sticking with Darnold. We’ll see in a few hours!
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@JosinaAnderson
It's my feeling, barring any unexpected new info or proposals surfacing & based off multiple conversations I've had on & off the record up through the crack of dawn this am, that the #Browns have settled on Okla QB Baker Mayfield for the #1 pick in the #NFL Draft tonight at 8pm.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 01:50 PM
Interesting notes from Tony Pauline on LVE:

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* There continues to be misinformation floating around about Leighton Vander Esch with recent news the linebacker failed medical exams and was removed from draft boards. The information passed on to me from a general manager this morning is 27 teams gave Vander Esch a passing grade on his medicals, 5 teams flagged him while no team flunked him. Flagging means a team will move a player down 10 to 20 slots on a draft board due to a red flag, in this case Vander Esch’s neck. Flunking means the team has removed the player from their board. The information passed to me states no team flunked Vander Esch for medicals or any other reason.

* More important for the Boise State linebacker is the leaking of information from the Dallas Cowboys and Pittsburgh Steelers. Both teams gave Vander Esch a passing grade on medicals. I feel reasonably certain he ends up with Dallas with the 18th pick.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 01:55 PM
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@RapSheet
#Giants coach Pat Shurmur told reporters he’s “planning on picking at No. 2.” At this point, it seems like: 1. There isn’t a lot of interest in coming all he way up to 2. 2. The Giants want to make the pick.
A lot of reports saying they've settled on Barkley.

Puck 04-26-2018 01:58 PM
According to Polian with this change back on D the most important player is the 3 tech and second is the WILL not the MLB in this D

My guess is Ballard wants Smith 1st then the 3 Tech even if he needs to make some moves to make that happen. Unless he thinks Ridgeway is up to the task.

Polian also said that no way will the Colts take Nelson if Chubb is gone and Smith is still on the board. He said this after the Colts selection on the ESPN live mock draft show when Mike Wells made the pick for the Colts and selected Nelson.

Swing4DaFences 04-26-2018 02:04 PM
This is my final prediction:

1. CLE - QB
2. NYG - Barkley
3. NYJ - QB
4. CLE - Chubb
5. DEN - QB
6. IND - TRADE DOWN to 11th, 12th, or 15th.

11. 12. or 15. IND - Go down this list in order, and whoever is the top available, we take him:
1. Nelson
2. Minkah Fitzpatrick
3. Roquan Smith
4. Mike McGlinchey

Chromeburn 04-26-2018 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 64374)
A lot of reports saying they've settled on Barkley.
Gettleman was asking too much I bet. He's not the charmer Ballard is.

Chromeburn 04-26-2018 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 64375)
According to Polian with this change back on D the most important player is the 3 tech and second is the WILL not the MLB in this D

My guess is Ballard wants Smith 1st then the 3 Tech even if he needs to make some moves to make that happen. Unless he thinks Ridgeway is up to the task.

Polian also said that no way will the Colts take Nelson if Chubb is gone and Smith is still on the board. He said this after the Colts selection on the ESPN live mock draft show when Mike Wells made the pick for the Colts and selected Nelson.
Reportedly Hurst is dropping some bc of his size and worries about his heart. And that he is off some teams boards totally. I am hoping we can, and will, take him in the second. I think he would be a monster in our defense. He would give us that Sapp / Tommie Harris like presence.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 64378)
Gettleman was asking too much I bet. He's not the charmer Ballard is.
Gettleman has never traded down in the 1st round. I think it's just his philosophy not to do it.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 64379)
Reportedly Hurst is dropping some bc of his size and worries about his heart. And that he is off some teams boards totally. I am hoping we can, and will, take him in the second. I think he would be a monster in our defense. He would give us that Sapp / Tommie Harris like presence.
Yep, I've been hoping for this since the combine.

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 02:27 PM
Per Matt Miller:

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@nfldraftscout
Afternoon update.

1. Baker
2. Saquon
3. Darnold
4. Chubb

rcubed 04-26-2018 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Swing4DaFences (Post 64377)
This is my final prediction:

1. CLE - QB
2. NYG - Barkley
3. NYJ - QB
4. CLE - Chubb
5. DEN - QB
6. IND - TRADE DOWN to 11th, 12th, or 15th.

11. 12. or 15. IND - Go down this list in order, and whoever is the top available, we take him:
1. Nelson
2. Minkah Fitzpatrick
3. Roquan Smith
4. Mike McGlinchey
1. CLE - Mayfield
2. NYG - Darnold
3. NYJ - Rosen
4. CLE - Barkley
5. DEN - Allen
6. IND - Chubb

VeveJones007 04-26-2018 02:56 PM
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@nfldraftscout
I know everyone is saying otherwise, but I have a really hard time seeing Cleveland pass on Sam Darnold. Guess we'll know in 5.5 hours

@nfldraftscout
Hearing there are #Jets coaches making a late push for Josh Allen. Buckle up, folks.

@nfldraftscout
Adding onto this: Jeremy Bates is a big Josh Allen fan. He has a lot of influence in that draft room.
Crazy stuff. Dorsey is just messing with everyone and the Jets seem like a mess of an organization. Keep that shit in house!

rcubed 04-26-2018 06:25 PM
I think someone on here was asking about the stampede blue draft guide. Looks like its 50% off if you are still interested in getting it.

Puck 04-26-2018 08:01 PM
Here we go MFers

Chromeburn 04-26-2018 08:17 PM
Baker I bet

Coltsalr 04-26-2018 08:39 PM
Browns taking Denzel Ward makes things interesting.

Coltsalr 04-26-2018 08:41 PM
Mike Klis
Broncos with No 5 pick expected to take DE Bradley Chubb. #9sports

Coltsalr 04-26-2018 08:49 PM
Safe pick, that's for sure.

And now Dam will be irate.

Dam8610 04-26-2018 08:54 PM
Welcome to a Top 10 pick in 2019.

Puck 04-26-2018 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 64585)
Welcome to a Top 10 pick in 2019.

Youre an idiot

Racehorse 04-26-2018 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 64630)
Youre an idiot
I trust Ballard much more than I do Dam

FatDT 04-26-2018 09:12 PM
Disappointing we couldn't get Chubb. I'm sure Nelson will be a great guard but taking that position so high still doesn't make sense to me.


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