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Kray007 04-24-2024 08:02 PM

Want Turner. Willing to settle for Verse or Mitchell.

IndyNorm 04-24-2024 08:13 PM

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2024/...ly-trading-up/

This article has some analysts saying it's Mitchell or possibly Arnold. Mitchell makes sense. I don't think Arnold's RAS score is high enough to get Ballard excited enough to trade up for him.

If we do trade up I hope it's as Dam mentions for one of the top WRs or only a small trade up for Bowers.

Speaking of trading up, there was a RATS article published yesterday about trading up for MHJ. The guy who wrote it said he used the NFL Mock Draft Database to determine it would take 15, and next year's 1st and 3rd to move up to 4. If that is what it takes then I'd be for doing it, but pretty sure it would take more than that.

Dam8610 04-25-2024 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 296290)
https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2024/...ly-trading-up/

This article has some analysts saying it's Mitchell or possibly Arnold. Mitchell makes sense. I don't think Arnold's RAS score is high enough to get Ballard excited enough to trade up for him.

If we do trade up I hope it's as Dam mentions for one of the top WRs or only a small trade up for Bowers.

Speaking of trading up, there was a RATS article published yesterday about trading up for MHJ. The guy who wrote it said he used the NFL Mock Draft Database to determine it would take 15, and next year's 1st and 3rd to move up to 4. If that is what it takes then I'd be for doing it, but pretty sure it would take more than that.

With team's trying to move up for a QB, there's no way that package gets the Colts to 4. You'd be lucky to get to 6 with that package this year.

njcoltfan 04-25-2024 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 296248)
Problem is we don’t know if anyone from this draft will be either

Truly elite guys tend to go top 5

That might be true, Dayo and Paye didn't go anywhere near the top 5, they were both projects coming out of college. If either Turner, Verse or Latu were drafted by the Colt's they would immediately become their best pass rusher. It's time Ballard stops drafting guys like Turray, Banago, Dayo and Paye, and gets a guy that has showed he can get to the QB !

ChaosTheory 04-25-2024 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 296290)
https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2024/...ly-trading-up/

This article has some analysts saying it's Mitchell or possibly Arnold. Mitchell makes sense. I don't think Arnold's RAS score is high enough to get Ballard excited enough to trade up for him.

If we do trade up I hope it's as Dam mentions for one of the top WRs or only a small trade up for Bowers.

Speaking of trading up, there was a RATS article published yesterday about trading up for MHJ. The guy who wrote it said he used the NFL Mock Draft Database to determine it would take 15, and next year's 1st and 3rd to move up to 4. If that is what it takes then I'd be for doing it, but pretty sure it would take more than that.

I have a completely irrational desire for us to get Harrison (#88 is my favorite football player of all-time). We know Ballard's style, but beyond that, it's just objectively going to be crazy expensive to get up to 4th overall. But, like I said, I'm irrational about that one.

I do think this year might have an abnormal amount of shuffling because so many teams need OL, if not QB. You could actually see ARZ and LAC trading down to those teams who might not take him.

And then it gets way convoluted if that starts happening because they're bidding against each other.

YDFL Commish 04-25-2024 07:01 PM

Only Arizona would be dumb enough to trade down.

IndyNorm 04-25-2024 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 296317)
I have a completely irrational desire for us to get Harrison (#88 is my favorite football player of all-time). We know Ballard's style, but beyond that, it's just objectively going to be crazy expensive to get up to 4th overall. But, like I said, I'm irrational about that one.

I do think this year might have an abnormal amount of shuffling because so many teams need OL, if not QB. You could actually see ARZ and LAC trading down to those teams who might not take him.

And then it gets way convoluted if that starts happening because they're bidding against each other.

Sentimentality aside, MHJ is an elite talent at a premium position. As is Nabers. Adding either of them to our offense would be off the charts huge. Guessing it would probably cost at least our 1st and 2nd this year and next year's 1st and 3rd to move up to draft either of them (basing this off of what Hou gave up to move to #3 last year), and that's probably too rich for my blood much less Ballard's.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 07-31-2024 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 296107)
Never say never, but it's extremely unlikely. In his 7 drafts w/ the Colts Ballard has moved up 4 times. 2 of them where he had to give up minimal draft capital to move up 3 spots in/into the 2nd round (JT and Lewis trades), and 2 more where mid round picks were involved (Willis and Cross). For good or for bad I really doubt Ballard will ever give up the draft capital it takes to move up in the 1st round.


Via Hard Knocks (video clip below), we found out that Ballard tried to move up to 1.06 by throwing in two 2nd Round Picks (2024's 2.46 and the 2025 2nd Round Pick).

However, the Giants were not interested in moving back to 1.15.


https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1818457132825550865

Discflinger 07-31-2024 05:36 PM

What does that add up to for Jimmy?

apballin 07-31-2024 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 300295)
Via Hard Knocks (video clip below), we found out that Ballard tried to move up to 1.06 by throwing in two 2nd Round Picks (2024's 2.46 and the 2025 2nd Round Pick).

However, the Giants were not interested in moving back to 1.15.


https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1818457132825550865

Hopefully this ends up being a blessing in disguise like the Mcdaniels fiasco

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 08-01-2024 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 300319)
What does that add up to for Jimmy?


Presumably the Colts were trying to move up to draft one of the big name WR's.

The sports reporter who clipped and posted the video speculated the Colts were targeting Bowers...but it seems to me that if the Colts were trying to move all the way up to 6, they were trying to nab Nabers or Odunze.

AlwaysSunnyinIndy 08-01-2024 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 300329)
Hopefully this ends up being a blessing in disguise like the Mcdaniels fiasco


After the trades to move up did not materialize (I bet they continued trying to move up and didn't stop with this offer to the NYG), I doubt the Colts could have scripted the draft much better.

They were able to snag two players that many pundits had assigned first round grades - both have some risk and there were reasons why they were still on the board when the Colts selected, but both have a lot of potential upside as well.

Dam8610 08-01-2024 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSunnyinIndy (Post 300340)
After the trades to move up did not materialize (I bet they continued trying to move up and didn't stop with this offer to the NYG), I doubt the Colts could have scripted the draft much better.

They were able to snag two players that many pundits had assigned first round grades - both have some risk and there were reasons why they were still on the board when the Colts selected, but both have a lot of potential upside as well.

The first two rounds of this draft for the Colts were a coup. I thought Latu would be off Ballard’s board because of his arm length, but based on the tape and the production he was up there with Nick Bosa and Myles Garrett. We can only hope he'll have that level of impact in the NFL.

If you had told me that the Colts could walk away from the first two rounds with Laiatu Latu and Adonai Mitchell in February, I'd've taken that with no hesitation. The fact that the Colts were able to get two extra 5th round picks and turn those into potentially productive players as well is just the icing on the cake.

YDFL Commish 08-09-2024 08:41 PM

Ditto what Dammy said. I thought that Ballard would pass on Latu due to athletic traits or injury concerns.

For that reason I chose Quinyon Mitchell.

But I'm certainly happy with the Latu pick.


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