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VeveJones007 04-02-2017 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 8639)
More and more, I'm really thinking that we should look to trade back in the 1st round.

Feel free to play around with the numbers, but the bottom line is, at #15, the value for that pick would be trading it for #25 and #57 (no we won't be getting those particular picks, Houston has them, but you get the idea, play around with the numbers) which I would do in a heartbeat. There's going to be plenty of value in the 1st/2nd round it appears, so getting more picks is the way to go, particularly when you consider the complete talent depletion that we have, we seem very primed to do so.

This is of course all contingent on how the board plays out. If Reuben Foster drops unexpectedly, then by all means, stay put.
I think the best bet would be if Trubisky and Watson are off the board and a team wants to make sure they get their QB (Mahomes? Kizer?) at 15.

ukcolt 04-03-2017 04:00 AM
I really like Reddick, but feel that he is far more suited to play in a 4-3 defensive scheme, as he is a bit too light to handle the outside duties in a 3-4. I don't want to be drafting guys who 'might' fit our scheme, i want guys who have already proven that they fit at the position we will be using them in. Not projects moving from college DE to a 3-4 OLB role.

ukcolt 04-03-2017 04:03 AM
It's the same with Anthony Walker from Northwestern....i think that he is going to end up being a tremendous MLB in a 4-3, but he needs to be covered up by the defensive line and free to make plays......and is not strong enough to be the same player in a 3-4.

VeveJones007 04-03-2017 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 8643)
I really like Reddick, but feel that he is far more suited to play in a 4-3 defensive scheme, as he is a bit too light to handle the outside duties in a 3-4. I don't want to be drafting guys who 'might' fit our scheme, i want guys who have already proven that they fit at the position we will be using them in. Not projects moving from college DE to a 3-4 OLB role.
Hassan Reddick 6'1 237

Robert Mathis 6'2 245
James Harrison 6'0 242
Clay Matthews 6'3 245

Can we just pin this for when people say that Reddick is too light to play EDGE?

Coltsalr 04-03-2017 10:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 8639)
More and more, I'm really thinking that we should look to trade back in the 1st round.

Feel free to play around with the numbers, but the bottom line is, at #15, the value for that pick would be trading it for #25 and #57 (no we won't be getting those particular picks, Houston has them, but you get the idea, play around with the numbers) which I would do in a heartbeat. There's going to be plenty of value in the 1st/2nd round it appears, so getting more picks is the way to go, particularly when you consider the complete talent depletion that we have, we seem very primed to do so.

This is of course all contingent on how the board plays out. If Reuben Foster drops unexpectedly, then by all means, stay put.

Edited to add, here's the NFL Draft value chart:

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp
My bad guys, I forgot to add the NFL Draft Value Chart, here it is below as well:

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

smitty46953 04-03-2017 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 8657)
Hassan Reddick 6'1 237

Robert Mathis 6'2 245
James Harrison 6'0 242
Clay Matthews 6'3 245

Can we just pin this for when people say that Reddick is too light to play EDGE?
He could come to Pucks next cookout and be 250 with no problem ... :cool:

natagu23 04-03-2017 03:39 PM
I hesitate about James Harrison because he is stout and pretty thick and can hold that edge.

His problem was length.

Pass rushing is one thing, but holding your own against a tackle in the run game is another.

Puck 04-03-2017 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Butter (Post 8592)
One Safety is not going to make this D "Light years" better.

And don't forget Collins sucked his rookie yr. And would've continued to suck here because we have no one that could have coached him up

Dam8610 04-03-2017 04:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 8657)
Hassan Reddick 6'1 237

Robert Mathis 6'2 245
James Harrison 6'0 242
Clay Matthews 6'3 245

Can we just pin this for when people say that Reddick is too light to play EDGE?
Can we also add that teams regularly draft players and have them add 10-15 pounds of good weight through their offseason strength and conditioning program?

Mr. Session 04-03-2017 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by natagu23 (Post 8686)
I hesitate about James Harrison because he is stout and pretty thick and can hold that edge.

His problem was length.

Pass rushing is one thing, but holding your own against a tackle in the run game is another.
All of these examples of undersized players at the position are of exceptional players.

That doesn't make me feel better, it makes me apprehensive.

Is the tape so great that Reddick looks like a future HOF/All Pro player at the position? I liked his tape but I don't come away feeling that way.


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