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Mr. Session 04-20-2019 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 116778)
Going strictly based on my eyes, I still think that Adderly is the best safety in the draft.

I hadn’t seen this kid before.

He’s got some real ball skills. Him and Hooker over the top could be a tough defensive look with a legitimate pass rush.

Dam8610 04-21-2019 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Session (Post 116801)
I hadn’t seen this kid before.

He’s got some real ball skills. Him and Hooker over the top could be a tough defensive look with a legitimate pass rush.

If you don't want any run support from your safeties, sure.

njcoltfan 04-21-2019 07:48 AM

If you listen to what Ballard has been preaching and saying since he became GM, ( building a team from the trenches out ), and he stays true to that, my best guess is that #26 and #34 will be IDL and Edge, not knowing who will be available I have absolutely no idea who they will be.

Oldcolt 04-21-2019 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 116807)
If you listen to what Ballard has been preaching and saying since he became GM, ( building a team from the trenches out ), and he stays true to that, my best guess is that #26 and #34 will be IDL and Edge, not knowing who will be available I have absolutely no idea who they will be.

Totally agree. Looking at the roster we have a huge need at cornerback with really only three guys you would trust. I'd expect at one in the first two rounds. Am also hopeful that we continue to feed the offensive line with a high pick (like in the first 4 rounds) and get some competition going there. Great being a Colt fan these days.

YDFL Commish 04-21-2019 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 116802)
If you don't want any run support from your safeties, sure.

Adderly hits, Hooker not so much.

VeveJones007 04-21-2019 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 116807)
If you listen to what Ballard has been preaching and saying since he became GM, ( building a team from the trenches out ), and he stays true to that, my best guess is that #26 and #34 will be IDL and Edge, not knowing who will be available I have absolutely no idea who they will be.

If only there were a list of targets somewhere in this thread to give you an idea of who might be targeted.

VeveJones007 04-21-2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 116823)
Adderly hits, Hooker not so much.

Darnell Savage is another name to watch beginning at 59.

YDFL Commish 04-21-2019 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116827)
Darnell Savage is another name to watch beginning at 59.


Yep, I like him as well. He's not strictly a downhill thumper. Just the kinda safety Ballard should be looking at.

njcoltfan 04-21-2019 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116826)
If only there were a list of targets somewhere in this thread to give you an idea of who might be targeted.

The only list that counts is the one available when the Colts are on the clock.

VeveJones007 04-21-2019 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 116833)
The only list that counts is the one available when the Colts are on the clock.

Then why are you wasting your time in this thread?

Butter 04-21-2019 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116834)
Then why are you wasting your time in this thread?

Thread shitting.

Coltsalr 04-22-2019 11:43 AM

https://twitter.com/br_nfl/status/11...354682880?s=21

Lets just say I’m skeptical.

Dam8610 04-22-2019 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 116869)

I absolutely believe the Raiders are interested in him and that the Colts and Eagles are trying to convince them that they need to spend pick 24 for him instead of pick 27.

Coltsalr 04-22-2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 116870)
I absolutely believe the Raiders are interested in him and that the Colts and Eagles are trying to convince them that they need to spend pick 24 for him instead of pick 27.

If ever there was a team that you could bluff..

The Eagles/Colts teaming up to collude on duping the Raiders also fits.

FatDT 04-22-2019 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 116748)
Gonna be an OT.

Hard for me to imagine but I will also not complain about taking OL.

Coltsalr 04-22-2019 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 116887)
Hard for me to imagine but I will also not complain about taking OL.

It’s not my first choice by any means but I wouldn’t be irate over it like I was the Dorsett pick.

Coltsalr 04-22-2019 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMugwump (Post 116748)
Gonna be an OT.

Doesn’t sound like any particular hurry there:

Ballard on how high the bar is raised after last year's successful 11-man class: "I think we just stay down the same path that we went. ... What our team did was outstanding work, but we'll try to do it again."

VeveJones007 04-22-2019 01:46 PM

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Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
Montez Sweat stock bottomed out due to team medicals. Have heard from a few clubs that have him off the board. Of course it only takes one team, but the expectation now is he will drop. Could fall out of Round 1

Stephen Holder
This is 100 percent true. Have heard it multiple times. Teams are just not sure what to do. And before you ask, no, I don’t know where the Colts stand on Sweat. But they know what everyone else does.
I'm moving Montez Sweat down from sure-thing Top 15 pick to one of the pool of players who could be available & fits for the Colts at 26/34.

VeveJones007 04-22-2019 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 116869)

I'm filing this one under "the Colts front office leaves no stone unturned."

VeveJones007 04-22-2019 01:52 PM

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Stephen Holder
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Regarding pick No. 26, there is "a cluster of about eight players" they're ready to choose, Ballard said.

Stephen Holder
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The positions of these players vary, Ballard said.
I'm going to do a rank of my 17 or so guys from the OP before Thursday. Intent is to try and figure out who those 8 players might be and what order the Colts may have them.

Chromeburn 04-22-2019 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116897)
I'm moving Montez Sweat down from sure-thing Top 15 pick to one of the pool of players who could be available & fits for the Colts at 26/34.

So the one guy that Irsay tweeted about after his 40 may be available? I read somewhere Sweats condition is not as serious as Hurst’s last year. They had multiple opportunities to draft Hurst so I wonder if he is on the board?

Sweat falling means Burns moves up.

VeveJones007 04-22-2019 02:32 PM

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“You want to filter out the guys you know just don’t fit.” He said athletic, schematic and character factors can all either help or hurt a certain prospect.
Speaking of: Ballard did say there are players that have what could be considered “character risks” on this year’s Colts draft board, but “we’re comfortable with them.”
That tells me Jeffrey Simmons is on the board.

Coltsalr 04-22-2019 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116905)
That tells me Jeffrey Simmons is on the board.

Wonder if that goes for Jachai Polite as well.

I think he has the potential to be a value steal if he gets into the right system where he can get good advice as opposed to the bad advice he’s apparently been getting from the idiots around him now.

VeveJones007 04-22-2019 04:19 PM

Alright, below is my best guess at getting to Ballard's list of 8 players who are targets at #26. Obviously not all of them will be there, but I'm trying to rank order them so that we can try to gauge who BPA is at any given point. Yes, NJColtsfan, this is hypothetical, but I find it interesting so here we are.

From my previous list, I'm moving Sweat out of the assumed Top 15 due to his heart condition, and also moving Tillery, Fant, and Jacobs from the 2nd list into the consideration set.

I'm assuming the italicized players will be gone, which gets the list down to 11. If Sweat or Simmons are off their board for medical concerns, that brings it to 9.

1st Tier:
EDGE: Brian Burns
DT: Christian Wilkins
DT: Jeffrey Simmons (lower due to injury)
EDGE: Clelin Ferrell
S: Jonathan Abram
TE: Noah Fant
CB: Byron Murphy
WR: AJ Brown
WR: N'Keal Harry
WR: Marquise Brown (I think they place more value on larger receivers)
OL: Chris Lindstrom
RB: Josh Jacobs
CB: Deandre Baker
EDGE: Montez Sweat (heart condition)
DL: Jerry Tillery (my personal reservations that he isn't a great scheme fit)


2nd Tier (unranked, sure-fire 2nd rounders):
DT: Dre'mont Jones
EDGE: Jaylon Ferguson
S: Taylor Rapp
WR: Riley Ridley
WR: Deebo Samuel
WR: Terry McLaurin
WR: Paris Campbell

I think two players from Tier 1 will be there at 26 & 34, but we'll see. The 2nd tier is more of a preliminary target list for 59 IMO.

Dam8610 04-22-2019 04:27 PM

If the Colts get Sweat and Simmons I'll be very happy. Two top 15 talents they have no business getting would go a long way toward building the defense.

VeveJones007 04-22-2019 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 116926)
If the Colts get Sweat and Simmons I'll be very happy. Two top 15 talents they have no business getting would go a long way toward building the defense.

No doubt, but I just don't see Ballard taking that degree of risk. One of them? Sure. Both of them? I can't see it.

Dam8610 04-22-2019 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116927)
No doubt, but I just don't see Ballard taking that degree of risk. One of them? Sure. Both of them? I can't see it.

There's risk from a draft capital standpoint, but to me the reward potential of two perennial pro bowlers far outweighs it. To me, Sweat is the guy you have to get if available, he's top 5 from a pure talent standpoint in this draft IMO. I also wouldn't be disappointed with something like Sweat and Tillery.

Chromeburn 04-22-2019 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 116915)
Wonder if that goes for Jachai Polite as well.

I think he has the potential to be a value steal if he gets into the right system where he can get good advice as opposed to the bad advice he’s apparently been getting from the idiots around him now.

Polite didn’t interview well. I guess he rubbed a lot of teams the wrong way.

YDFL Commish 04-22-2019 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 116929)
Polite didn’t interview well. I guess he rubbed a lot of teams the wrong way.

I would take Baker off of the list, because reports are that he didn't interview well either.

This will be interesting to see what Eberflus and Ballard truly value at safety. I'm not high on Abram and Rapp and am higher on guys like Adderly and Savage. But there's also Deionte Thompson, Chauncey Gardner Johnson, Jaun Thornhill and Amani Hooker.

Various sites have them all ranked differently and they all have their warts, which I believe make them all early to late 2nd round picks.

FatDT 04-22-2019 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 116929)
Polite didn’t interview well. I guess he rubbed a lot of teams the wrong way.

I followed that and it seemed like the media over-covered it. I think he got some bad advice from his agent and flubbed it some, but I've read people talking about him falling to day 3 of the draft and I just don't see that at all.

Dam8610 04-22-2019 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 116929)
Polite didn’t interview well. I guess he rubbed a lot of teams the wrong way.

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 116940)
I followed that and it seemed like the media over-covered it. I think he got some bad advice from his agent and flubbed it some, but I've read people talking about him falling to day 3 of the draft and I just don't see that at all.

Everything I read was that he was upset teams were showing him his bad plays and wouldn't break down the film they showed him with them. That's part of the draft (and the NFL) process. If he can't handle that, I'm not sure he's a good fit for the Colts.

VeveJones007 04-22-2019 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 116928)
There's risk from a draft capital standpoint, but to me the reward potential of two perennial pro bowlers far outweighs it. To me, Sweat is the guy you have to get if available, he's top 5 from a pure talent standpoint in this draft IMO. I also wouldn't be disappointed with something like Sweat and Tillery.

I fully agree with you on the upside. I’m just pointing out that there’s a decent probability you could end up with nothing. Though the fact that there are pro soccer players in Europe playing through Sweat’s condition gives me a degree of optimism on his ability to have a long career.

FatDT 04-22-2019 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 116941)
Everything I read was that he was upset teams were showing him his bad plays and wouldn't break down the film they showed him with them. That's part of the draft (and the NFL) process. If he can't handle that, I'm not sure he's a good fit for the Colts.

That's the spin I read, the fuller account included his comments saying he understood it was their job to do that and, in context, he didn't sound that bad. Underprepared, which is his agents fault.

VeveJones007 04-22-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FatDT (Post 116953)
That's the spin I read, the fuller account included his comments saying he understood it was their job to do that and, in context, he didn't sound that bad. Underprepared, which is his agents fault.

To be fair, you can be underprepared and still demonstrate a lack of maturity. Will be interesting to know how the Colts view him.

Dam8610 04-22-2019 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 116942)
I fully agree with you on the upside. I’m just pointing out that there’s a decent probability you could end up with nothing. Though the fact that there are pro soccer players in Europe playing through Sweat’s condition gives me a degree of optimism on his ability to have a long career.

There's a decent probability of ending up with nothing for any draft pick outside the top 10 (top 5?). To me, the reward outweighs the risk at 26 and 34.

Coltsalr 04-22-2019 07:39 PM

Holder says, among other things, to expect Offensive Line early and he doesn’t see it with Jeffery Simmons and that it won’t be a WR and that they aren’t trading up/down:

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Look for an early offensive line pick
You’d think the offensive line wouldn’t be a priority topic of conversation after a 2018 draft that netted the Colts a pair of offensive linemen at pick Nos. 3 and 37 overall. Quenton Nelson (No. 3) and Braden Smith (37) went on to become the starting left guard and right tackle, respectively. The Colts also have all five of their 2018 starting linemen returning, a rarity in the ever-changing NFL.

And yet, the Colts are still investing significant time evaluating various offensive linemen in this class, according to sources. That includes offensive linemen projected to be chosen in the first round. Specifically, the odds of an offensive line pick during the first two days of the draft (Rounds 1 through 3) are strong.
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I don’t see the Colts picking Jeffery Simmons
There’s not much consensus on where Mississippi State standout defensive tackle Jeffery Simmons will be picked. He’s a difficult player to project given his recent torn ACL. Without it, he’d likely be an early first-round selection. With the injury, he’s perhaps a late-first-round choice. No one knows.

Either way, the possibility exists that he could be on the board when the Colts pick at No. 26 or 34. If so, then what?

Here’s what: The Colts pass. And it will be, in my humble opinion, as much because of his character flag as his injury. If Simmons heals, he could be a beast in 2020.
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The first-rounder won’t be a wide receiver
This prediction is, admittedly, based more on gut feeling than hard information. But it’s not a mere dart thrown at the proverbial board, either.

The Colts in the past two offseasons haven’t shown any real urgency about the wide receiver position. While they signed free agent Devin Funchess to a significant one-year, $10 million contract this spring, the key words there are “one year.” That is hardly a long-term commitment and is not the kind of move a team makes when it is deeply concerned about a particular unit.

The Colts don’t seem to view receiver the same way they do offensive or defensive line and other critical positions. That doesn’t mean they are willing to play with just anyone. But because of the confidence coach Frank Reich possesses — he believes he can win with truly elite talent at the position — it’s very possible the Colts will prioritize other areas in Round 1 (to be clear, a receiver pick feels likely in subsequent rounds).

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The Colts won’t trade up or down at No. 26
I don’t have a crystal ball, so I’m going out on a shaky limb here.

But, here’s the rationale for this prediction: The Colts, as Ballard said Monday, have a “cluster” of eight players they have targeted for the No. 26 pick. They are extremely confident one or more of them will be available. If they’re right, it seems likely they’re content to let one of their preferred players fall to them and then pounce. Ballard and others around the league have said there are fewer truly elite players at the top of this draft, so unless one of the very best players falls unexpectedly, it’s not a given there is someone they even consider worthy of trading up for.

As for the trade-down possibility, I don’t see it. Here’s why: There’s a growing consensus that the depth of the draft is consistent throughout the second round and into the third round. If that’s true, are you going to be motivated to trade up to No. 26 if you’re a team possessing an early- to mid-second-round pick? The conventional wisdom — obviously without knowing which players will be available — is to stay put and get a player of comparable talent
https://theathletic.com/938751/2019/....co/S7kQZMmmps

VeveJones007 04-22-2019 08:19 PM

Interesting that Holder doesn't think the Colts would take Simmons. He tends to be tuned in pretty well to the front office.

apballin 04-22-2019 09:25 PM

I still say DT, but the RB from bama wouldn’t surprise me keep hearing his name thrown around since the game of horse with Reich and add in they brought in ajayi and decided not to sign him. The more I read about the Jacobs guy the more he screams horseshoe

Luck4Reich 04-22-2019 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by apballin (Post 116969)
I still say DT, but the RB from bama wouldn’t surprise me keep hearing his name thrown around since the game of horse with Reich and add in they brought in ajayi and decided not to sign him. The more I read about the Jacobs guy the more he screams horseshoe

They are not taking a RB at 26.

apballin 04-22-2019 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Luck4Reich (Post 116970)
They are not taking a RB at 26.

I don’t want them to but it wouldn’t surprise me


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