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Coltsalr 04-29-2017 02:24 PM

The interesting part about flipping back and forth between networks, both McShay and Mayock said the same thing, that they both got calls very late in the process on Grover Stewart saying to take a look at him and they both came away impressed.

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:25 PM

CB Corn Elder goes to Panthers :cool:

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:28 PM

Redskins take Ark TE Jeremy Sprinkle, kinda wanted him ... :cool:

IndyNorm 04-29-2017 02:29 PM

Seems like Mack is a good pick at this spot and a good fit for change of pace with Gore, but this is pretty concerning in particular the fumbling (from his NFL.com profile):

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Too willing to make wild bounces to the furthest reaches of the perimeter if interior lanes are gummed up. Lacks a committed approach between the tackles. Feet start dancing if he doesn't see an early point of entry. On jet sweeps, he rarely looked to cut it downhill in space and defaulted to the wide track. Has a very poor fumble rate over this three years and has put the ball on the ground twelve times.
And since our coaching staff either doesn't care to or doesn't know how to teach fundamentals I doubt any of this gets fixed anytime soon.

Stewart is obviously an unknown and a head scratcher, and based on his ranking (317 overall by ESPN FWIW). Ballard must have really liked him to have taken him here.

ukcolt 04-29-2017 02:30 PM

I wouldn't mind taking a look at TE Bucky Hodges with this pick or CB William Likely

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by IndyNorm (Post 12010)
Seems like Mack is a good pick at this spot and a good fit for change of pace with Gore, but this is pretty concerning in particular the fumbling (from his NFL.com profile):



And since our coaching staff either doesn't care to or doesn't know how to teach fundamentals I doubt any of this gets fixed anytime soon.

Stewart is obviously an unknown and a head scratcher, and based on his ranking (317 overall by ESPN FWIW). Ballard must have really liked him to have taken him here.

Ouch, lot of drops ... if can't learn to hold on to ball he wont last :cool:

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:35 PM

Wyoming RB Brian Hill to Falcons ... :cool:

ukcolt 04-29-2017 02:36 PM

And if they are not very high on some of the guys left in the draft, try to trade away the pick for future picks.....although i don't think that was the opinion of the front office, they seemed to think that it was one of the deepest drafts in a long time.

Luck4Reich 04-29-2017 02:38 PM

Very excited about the defense.

YDFL Commish 04-29-2017 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 12014)
And if they are not very high on some of the guys left in the draft, try to trade away the pick for future picks.....although i don't think that was the opinion of the front office, they seemed to think that it was one of the deepest drafts in a long time.

Can't trade comp picks?

Coltsalr 04-29-2017 02:39 PM

Nate Hairston, CB, Temple.

Instincts/Recognition 3 Only two seasons at CB but appears to have natural FBIs. Former WR who has an understanding of splits and how receivers are trying to attack him. Quality awareness in zone coverage. Reads quarterbacks eyes well. Quick to identify route combinations and does a nice job of maintaining quality correlation with targets. Anticipation and route recognition in man coverage are still developing. Quick to read and react vs the run.


Cover Skills 2 Fluid and balance mover. Feet are rarely caught outside of fame. Good mirror skills in press man coverage. Uses hands well to reroute receivers near the line of scrimmage. Does display some tightness in ankles when forced to quickly gather breaking forward. Transitions well out of breaks. Good short-area quickness. Balance allows him to transition and recover when caught out of position. Good speed to carry receivers down field but lacks an elite extra gear to make up ground when caught in trail.


Ball Skills 3 Former WR who has quality hand-eye coordination. 4 PBU and 2 INT in two season at CB (2015-'16). 3 PBU and 2 INT in 2016.Knows when to play the ball and play man. Quality leaping ability in contested situations (VJ: 35 ½ ' ) Will be a split second late turning and locating the ball at times when his back is to the football.


Run Support 1 Hard edge setter that is active and willing in this in this area. Physical and shows active hands taking on and shedding blocks (14 bench reps). Can occasionally be a quarter count late getting off of blocks against bigger and more physical WRs. Works to keep to outside contain on the perimeter. Good body and balance as a tackler. Firm wrap upon contact to finish tackles. Also flashes the ability to deliver a heavy blow.

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:39 PM

Colts take CB Nate Hairston :cool:

DragonTails 04-29-2017 02:41 PM

Nate Hairston | CB, Temple
Height: 6-0 Weight: 196
A former wide receiver with only one year of starting CB experience and it shows. Will need time to develop mentally and technically before he sees action.
D-

Coltsalr 04-29-2017 02:42 PM

More on Hairston:

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trengths Has good size and well-built lower body. Built like a more physical player and lives up to it. Competes hard when the ball heads his way. Will knife in at full-speed when he reads hitch or wide receiver screen. Quick to shuck and attack in run support. Former wide receiver at Temple who plays with fluid movement in space. Loose hips allow for smooth transitions in matching patterns and longer strides in space. Has adequate foot quickness and twitch. Plays with a good feel for coverage responsibilities. Diligent to protect against speed and is rarely beaten over the top.
Weaknesses Only one season as a full-time starter. Targeted just 36 times in college with only six passes defensed. Man cover skills are work in progress. Footwork can be a little uneven in his backpedal and transitions. Will panic and face guard rather than finding the ball when he gets beat over the top. Protected somewhat by cover-2 and cover-3 looks. Needs more man experience. Scouts question his long speed. Leaves an excessive buffer in his bail technique leading to easy completions underneath.
Draft Projection Round 5-6
Bottom Line Raw but very moldable prospect. Hairston shows good awareness from zone and his physical style and willingness to come tackle make him an immediate fit for primarily zone cover teams. However he may have the tools to eventually become a solid bump-and-run cornerback as he becomes more experienced at the position. Hairston is a projection-based talent who should become a much better player in two years than he is today.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profil...ton?id=2558108

Luck4Reich 04-29-2017 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 12018)
Colts take CB Nate Hairston :cool:

Thought I saw somewhere Patriots were taking a look at him

sherck 04-29-2017 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 12016)
Can't trade comp picks?

You can now. Changed in the last year or two.

Cheers,

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:44 PM

Colts select LB Anthony Walker Jr. Northwestern :cool:

Little early to me ?

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 12034)
Colts select LB Anthony Walker Jr. Northwestern :cool:

Little early to me ?

Guess we must have liked him? :cool:

ukcolt 04-29-2017 02:46 PM

That is a fabulous pick in the 5th round! If he is now fully healed from his injury in 2015 and can get back to that level of play we have one of the steals of the draft.

Coltsalr 04-29-2017 02:47 PM

Anthony Walker, ILB, Northwestern is the final pick of the draft:

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Strengths Carries NFL thickness throughout his frame. Adequate straight-line pursuit speed. Flashes burst gear to close out runners looking to get the corner. Smart player with excellent work ethic. Considered a great teammate and leader. Instinctive downhill runner, and productive. Always looking to play tackles near the line of scrimmage. Works around second-level blocks with limp inside shoulder and upper body turn, causing blockers to miss the target and fall forward. Able to adjust path to the ball in space. Instinctive with good peripheral vision. Outstanding field awareness. Urgent helper on wide receiver screens and hitches. Plays with balanced eyes in coverage, darting between his coverage area and the quarterback's eyes. Crowds target in his area, but willing to come off and hustle to a passing lane if he reads pass. Has 16 passes defensed over his three years.
Weaknesses Has some stiffness in his movement. Has been too muscle-bound and tight at times during career. Got too big, too fast. Missed tackle total on the high side. Comes downhill with some rigidity in his feet that prevent quick, lateral shifts. Sluggish to redirect his weight to mirror shifty runners in the hole or in open field. Should continue to work on functional flexibility. Will need to meet lead blocks with better knee bend and more force. Take-on skills need work. Feet are ahead of his hands when taking on climbing linemen. Allows blockers into his frame rather than punching and maintaining distance. Struggles to play off blocks. Can be obliterated and erased from his gap by angle blocks.
Draft Projection Round 7-PFA
Sources Tell Us "He is playing way too heavy right now, and I don't think he's in the shape he needs to be in. But, hey, he's always productive and he plays in a physical conference, so that's a plus. He can run but he's not a great athlete. I think he'll be a much better player if he plays around 230." -- Director of scouting for AFC team
NFL Comparison Kiko Alonso
Bottom Line Has packed muscle onto his frame that looks good in the uniform but might be limiting his flexibility and athletic ability. A productive, downhill linebacker who misses too many tackles and struggles as a take-on player. He checks all the desired boxes for football and personal character and can be counted on to do what it takes to improve his game. He could become a decent starting linebacker within his first few years.
www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/anthony-walker jr.?id=2558015

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:47 PM

6 of 8 picks were defense ... :cool:

Coltsalr 04-29-2017 02:48 PM

More on Anthony Walker:

Instincts/Recognition 1 Quarterback of the defense. Has the football acumen to quickly pick up a new scheme and weekly game plans. Active eyes. Quick to read keys and locate the ball against the run. Above average route recognition and good feel for crossers in underneath coverage. Reads quarterback and gets an early break on the ball. Discipline is a touch inconsistent and occasionally gets caught out of gap. Quick to sniff out play action at times. Late seeing it at other times.


Take-on Skills 3 Beats blockers to the point and make plays in the backfield. Thick lower body and flashes ability to hold ground at the point when he keeps his pads down. Slips some blocks quickly but developing hand fighter with room to improve in terms of stacking and shedding in phone booth. Pad level is inconsistent and gets washed out or gives ground when doesn't play with good leverage.


Range vs. Run 2 Instincts and reaction time amplify range. Chases with good effort. Good initial burst and closes fairly well on a straight line. Flashes ability to sift through traffic but inconsistent angles and gets caught up in the wash running under blocks that he should fight over. Lacks the extra gear to chase down most backs on a straight line. Tight hips and struggles to recover when he overruns play.


Tackling 3 Tends to wrap up and wrestle ball carriers to the ground when he's in sound position to make play. Brick wall that has good stopping power and limits production after contact but not a violent downhill striker that jars ball carriers on contact. Tight and not nearly as effective trying to make one-on-one plays in space as he is between the tackles. Rips at the ball in gang tackle situations and forced four fumbles last year.


3rd Down Capabilities 3 Gets to depth and rarely gets caught out of position in underneath zone. Flashes ability to play the ball and intercepted four passes in three seasons at Northwestern. Active hands and good strength rushing the passer off the edge and between the tackles. Stiff in space and question ability to stay with NFL backs in man coverage at the NFL level.

Colt Classic 04-29-2017 02:49 PM

Who has the hot take for how the draft went? Did the Colts win?!

Luck4Reich 04-29-2017 02:50 PM

Somebody remove the :cool: emoji from Smitty's selections...:D

Coltsalr 04-29-2017 02:51 PM

Interesting Tale of Two Drafts for Ballard.

Day One/Two was mostly contribute-now guys. Hooker/Wilson are very likely day one starters. Basham will probably be a day one contributor, or at least they'll try to hope he contributes from day one.

Banner/Stewart/Hairston/Walker all feel like project picks. Mack will probably contribute sooner rather than later, though.

Luck4Reich 04-29-2017 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 12040)
Who has the hot take for how the draft went? Did the Colts win?!

I'd rather be the winner after the season has played out than called the winner now.

sherck 04-29-2017 02:51 PM

Love our 5th round picks.

A CB who apparently has all the skills to be an NFL CB but is limited on experience. Great CB5 or CB6 to carry on a roster to learn for a year or two before seeing if he can make the transition.

And Walker at ILB has some great coverage skills and becomes a really nice rotation piece to move onto the field on passing downs and off the field on run downs. We got some "thumpers" in Morrison and Jackson. Now we have some coverage guys in Spence an Walker. Bostic is an unknown.

Great, great picks. I love our draft.

Cheers,

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuck4Chuck (Post 12041)
Somebody remove the :cool: emoji from Smitty's selections...:D

What one? This one :cool::cool: ?

njcoltfan 04-29-2017 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 12034)
Colts select LB Anthony Walker Jr. Northwestern :cool:

Little early to me ?

Another one right in draft contest, but wrong round

njcoltfan 04-29-2017 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 12044)
Love our 5th round picks.

A CB who apparently has all the skills to be an NFL CB but is limited on experience. Great CB5 or CB6 to carry on a roster to learn for a year or two before seeing if he can make the transition.

And Walker at ILB has some great coverage skills and becomes a really nice rotation piece to move onto the field on passing downs and off the field on run downs. We got some "thumpers" in Morrison and Jackson. Now we have some coverage guys in Spence an Walker. Bostic is an unknown.

Great, great picks. I love our draft.

Cheers,

I'm beginning to like it too

smitty46953 04-29-2017 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 12046)
Another one right in draft contest, but wrong round

Good job !!! :cool:

ukcolt 04-29-2017 03:06 PM

I am very happy with the draft as a whole:-
Malik Hooker, was the best player available and a major coup to get him at the 15th pick and will be a major upgrade over anything we have had since Bethea left.
Quincy Wilson in the 2nd could become our No. 1 corner in a few years if we decide not to resign Davis, and hopefully will be our best No. 2 corner in almost a decade.
Tarrell Basham, was a very productive pass rusher in college, who should readily contribute this year and could potentially lead the team in sacks, (that might just be indicative of who else we have, rather than being something amazing).
Zack Banner, is a guy who might be plugged in at right guard and become our best run blocking offensive lineman, or he might end up being cut if he can't control his weight.
Marlon Mack is a great complimentary back, something completely different to anything we have had on the roster in many a year. But he must keep hold of the ball.
Grover Stewart, is a guy that the coaching staff seem to have fallen in love with, and someone who could provide some interior pass rush on obvious passing downs.
Nate Hairston, will probably start the season as the No. 5 guy behind Davis, Wilson, Butler and Melvin but could progress quickly into the starting slot replacing Butler next year.
Anthony Walker, if he is fully recovered and back to his 2015 form he might actually be a day one starter, and will likely see cosiderable playing time on 3rd downs covering TE's as he is good in coverage.

Racehorse 04-29-2017 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Colt Classic (Post 12040)
Who has the hot take for how the draft went? Did the Colts win?!

One of the commentators on NFLN started to praise our draft when they cut to a pick.

IndyNorm 04-29-2017 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coltsalr (Post 12042)
Interesting Tale of Two Drafts for Ballard.

Day One/Two was mostly contribute-now guys. Hooker/Wilson are very likely day one starters. Basham will probably be a day one contributor, or at least they'll try to hope he contributes from day one.

Banner/Stewart/Hairston/Walker all feel like project picks. Mack will probably contribute sooner rather than later, though.

If he's past his injuries that slowed him down in '16 Walker might not be too much of a project. Agree on Banner and highly agree on Stewart and Hairston.

smitty46953 04-29-2017 03:49 PM

I really wanted Jake Butt, just to get the jersey, not so much the player ! :cool:

Colt Classic 04-29-2017 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 12058)
I really wanted Jake Butt, just to get the jersey, not so much the player ! :cool:

Woulda seen a lot of Hooker jerseys sitting next to Butt jerseys.


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