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Discflinger 02-14-2023 06:41 PM

"The Alabama guy doesn't look bad, I'll tell ya." Exact words.

Oldcolt 02-14-2023 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 260067)
Always optimism with a new coach.

Why not? Plenty of time for pessimism once we see how shitty he is.

ChaosTheory 02-14-2023 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 260077)
What comment was that?

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 260079)
"The Alabama guy doesn't look bad, I'll tell ya." Exact words.

Steichen and Ballard seemed to answer those (few) kinds of questions ambiguous. Irsay was getting more into it, though. He jumped right into the young QB and trading up talk. I actually thought Ballard physically responded to that, the way he looked at him.

Then Ballard makes a trading back joke, and then Irsay made that Bryce Young comment. Whether he was being candid or deceptive... who knows?

njcoltfan 02-14-2023 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DragonTails (Post 260057)
Can we spend some money now and get some fkn ball players in here.

What good is all this cap money if you only spend a little on shit ass players.

make a deal with the bears before the draft so that so that they get the QB they want, then worry about free agency

CletusPyle 02-14-2023 09:16 PM

I still want Levis…I think he’s safe without making a trade! No. Way the Colts should trade up for Young! At this point they are guaranteed to get Young Stroud or Levis, I say they all have about the same bust potential!

Dewey 5 02-14-2023 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 260087)
I still want Levis…I think he’s safe without making a trade! No. Way the Colts should trade up for Young! At this point they are guaranteed to get Young Stroud or Levis, I say they all have about the same bust potential!

Levis way too Wentz like for me. Hard pass

CletusPyle 02-14-2023 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey 5 (Post 260088)
Levis way too Wentz like for me. Hard pass

Reminds me more of Josh Allen or Matthew Stafford!

Dam8610 02-15-2023 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 260087)
I still want Levis…I think he’s safe without making a trade! No. Way the Colts should trade up for Young! At this point they are guaranteed to get Young Stroud or Levis, I say they all have about the same bust potential!

You're wrong. Levis has major mechanical flaws that need to be fixed that the Colts have a history of failing to fix (Carson Wentz). It would be extra stupid to draft the problems you traded away an offseason ago.

JAFF 02-15-2023 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Brylok (Post 260064)
I feel a disturbance in the force, like when Vader felt Kenobi's presence on the Death Star after so many years.

Probably just cramps. :eek:

Oldcolt 02-15-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 260096)
You're wrong. Levis has major mechanical flaws that need to be fixed that the Colts have a history of failing to fix (Carson Wentz). It would be extra stupid to draft the problems you traded away an offseason ago.

Love your posts but sometimes you are so full of shit it isn't even funny. Mechanically there may be some issues that coincide with Wentz but the question that needs to be answered is above the shoulders. That is where Wentz was screwed. Unless you happen to know the young man you are pulling it out of your ass to say 'you're wrong' and it would be 'stupid' to essentially disagree your the assessment of a guy who you have never spoken one word to. Stoud may turn out to be the man but I believe you hire someone like Streichan because you believe in his ability to develop raw talent. If the Colts draft Levis (or even, gasp, Richardson) it is because they believe in Steichan's ability to develop talent. They better be right.

CletusPyle 02-15-2023 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 260096)
You're wrong. Levis has major mechanical flaws that need to be fixed that the Colts have a history of failing to fix (Carson Wentz). It would be extra stupid to draft the problems you traded away an offseason ago.

So you want to give up our 4th and 36th and next years 1st to get Young who is likely Kyler Murray II. No thanks, that would be really stupid!

ChaosTheory 02-15-2023 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 260101)
So you want to give up our 4th and 36th and next years 1st to get Young who is likely Kyler Murray II. No thanks, that would be really stupid!

Dam has been adamantly pushing for Stroud since day 1.

CletusPyle 02-15-2023 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 260105)
Dam has been adamantly pushing for Stroud since day 1.

I think Houston will choose Young, so Stroud may be there at 4 unless someone else trades up. I have seen some mock drafts that have Levis going #1 but I have my doubts on that.

Chromeburn 02-15-2023 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 260081)
Why not? Plenty of time for pessimism once we see how shitty he is.

You laugh, but I've gotten enough of that for a lifetime the last couple of seasons. Fanbase needs a dose of optimism. Way too much doom and gloom especially considering they've mostly been middle of the pack, not horrible.

ChaosTheory 02-15-2023 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 260106)
I think Houston will choose Young, so Stroud may be there at 4 unless someone else trades up. I have seen some mock drafts that have Levis going #1 but I have my doubts on that.

Interesting. I think the only mock draft I've seen that goes against the grain is Mel Kiper's. He has Stroud going as QB1, Young as QB2, and Levis as QB3 but I heard him say he thinks Levis will be the best pro. But that's the only one I've seen like that.

Chromeburn 02-15-2023 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Discflinger (Post 260074)
The Chicago media dribble about the Colts selling the farm is hysterical. I don’t think any of these QBs warrant a shift with our current position. I also think Irsay was trying to hide who they truly covet with his comment about an Alabama quarterback.

I don't think they even know yet.

Still have the combine and interviews. If they spend that much time and effort interviewing coaches then they will definitely put a lot of emphasis on interviewing the QBs. Have to get the coach up to speed and then his input. I think Irsay was just messing with all the prognosticators. They don't even know if they want to trade up and the Bears fans are smacking their lips with anticipation of a big payday.

CletusPyle 02-15-2023 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaosTheory (Post 260108)
Interesting. I think the only mock draft I've seen that goes against the grain is Mel Kiper's. He has Stroud going as QB1, Young as QB2, and Levis as QB3 but I heard him say he thinks Levis will be the best pro. But that's the only one I've seen like that.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2023/2/...ter-super-bowl

I saw this one, and the comments express the same doubts I have. I also saw one early on that had Houston taking Levis with their #2. At this point nobody knows, it’s all speculation. But none of these guys are such a sure thing that any team should trade up and give away a bunch of valuable picks for them!

Dam8610 02-15-2023 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 260100)
Love your posts but sometimes you are so full of shit it isn't even funny. Mechanically there may be some issues that coincide with Wentz but the question that needs to be answered is above the shoulders. That is where Wentz was screwed. Unless you happen to know the young man you are pulling it out of your ass to say 'you're wrong' and it would be 'stupid' to essentially disagree your the assessment of a guy who you have never spoken one word to. Stoud may turn out to be the man but I believe you hire someone like Streichan because you believe in his ability to develop raw talent. If the Colts draft Levis (or even, gasp, Richardson) it is because they believe in Steichan's ability to develop talent. They better be right.

His feet are not above his shoulders. Watch this analysis of Carson Wentz, especially when he talks about "pigeon-toeing" around the 7:00 mark. That's the biggest mechanical flaw that Will Levis has, and the Colts did not fix that with Wentz.

Dam8610 02-15-2023 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CletusPyle (Post 260101)
So you want to give up our 4th and 36th and next years 1st to get Young who is likely Kyler Murray II. No thanks, that would be really stupid!

No, I don't want Young, I want Stroud, but that price is too steep. Also, I'd comp Young to Russell Wilson, not Kyler Murray.

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Originally Posted by Chromeburn (Post 260110)
I don't think they even know yet.

Still have the combine and interviews. If they spend that much time and effort interviewing coaches then they will definitely put a lot of emphasis on interviewing the QBs. Have to get the coach up to speed and then his input. I think Irsay was just messing with all the prognosticators. They don't even know if they want to trade up and the Bears fans are smacking their lips with anticipation of a big payday.

At the end of the day, there's a whole process that we don't get access to that the decision makers will use to make their decisions. All any of us can do is look at the tape, look at the measureables, and look at any info that is made public. The most important piece of that information is the tape, and the tape, to me at least, screams CJ Stroud is the guy, and if you can't get Stroud, get Young and hope his height isn't an issue.

JAFF 02-15-2023 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 259927)
If true it looks like Jimmy got involved only when he felt the wheels were falling off. Then back to letting the professionals run the place. So much for all the hissy fits being thrown about us being a clown show. Fuck everyone for thinking the can get in our crazy owners head

But, wouldnt you want to peak inside and see what goes on in their?

Oldcolt 02-15-2023 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 260119)
His feet are not above his shoulders. Watch this analysis of Carson Wentz, especially when he talks about "pigeon-toeing" around the 7:00 mark. That's the biggest mechanical flaw that Will Levis has, and the Colts did not fix that with Wentz.

Seriously? WTF controls the feet? In my case my mind tells me where to place my feet. Wentz's issues went way beyond where he put his feet. You say that the Colts didn't fix the issue. Bullshit. Wentz didn't fix the issue. Wentz, according to many, just cannot be coached. The person who should have known this and kept us from getting him was Reich. He didn't and it eventually got him fired, as it should have.

Dam8610 02-15-2023 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldcolt (Post 260122)
Seriously? WTF controls the feet? In my case my mind tells me where to place my feet. Wentz's issues went way beyond where he put his feet. You say that the Colts didn't fix the issue. Bullshit. Wentz didn't fix the issue. Wentz, according to many, just cannot be coached. The person who should have known this and kept us from getting him was Reich. He didn't and it eventually got him fired, as it should have.

When you're doing a repetitive motion in a sport, you typically develop a muscle memory for the motion, which allows you to not focus thought on that portion of things, freeing up thought for things like reading the defense and determining where and when to throw the ball. That's why practice matters so much. In order to fix a "pigeon-toeing" issue, a coaching staff has to completely rebuild the throwing motion with the QB so that the natural plant of the foot is in the direction of the throw. Bad programming currently exists and needs to be removed and replaced with good programming. I don't think the Colts should bother trying to fix the programming of Levis when they couldn't do it with Wentz and when there are two perfectly good options that don't require that fix in Stroud and Young.

YDFL Commish 02-15-2023 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 260127)
When you're doing a repetitive motion in a sport, you typically develop a muscle memory for the motion, which allows you to not focus thought on that portion of things, freeing up thought for things like reading the defense and determining where and when to throw the ball. That's why practice matters so much. In order to fix a "pigeon-toeing" issue, a coaching staff has to completely rebuild the throwing motion with the QB so that the natural plant of the foot is in the direction of the throw. Bad programming currently exists and needs to be removed and replaced with good programming. I don't think the Colts should bother trying to fix the programming of Levis when they couldn't do it with Wentz and when there are two perfectly good options that don't require that fix in Stroud and Young.


I'm not disagreeing with you about the Wentz/Levis comparison. But saying the Colts couldn't fix Wentz's problems under the Frank Reich regime is a hell of a lot different than say that the Shane Steichen regime can't fix Levis.

In fact Steichen with the support staff may be the only coach who could fix Levis.

Dam8610 02-15-2023 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 260134)
I'm not disagreeing with you about the Wentz/Levis comparison. But saying the Colts couldn't fix Wentz's problems under the Frank Reich regime is a hell of a lot different than say that the Shane Steichen regime can't fix Levis.

In fact Steichen with the support staff may be the only coach who could fix Levis.

Rather not take that chance when CJ Stroud is sitting there for the taking.

Oldcolt 02-15-2023 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dam8610 (Post 260127)
When you're doing a repetitive motion in a sport, you typically develop a muscle memory for the motion, which allows you to not focus thought on that portion of things, freeing up thought for things like reading the defense and determining where and when to throw the ball. That's why practice matters so much. In order to fix a "pigeon-toeing" issue, a coaching staff has to completely rebuild the throwing motion with the QB so that the natural plant of the foot is in the direction of the throw. Bad programming currently exists and needs to be removed and replaced with good programming. I don't think the Colts should bother trying to fix the programming of Levis when they couldn't do it with Wentz and when there are two perfectly good options that don't require that fix in Stroud and Young.

I get the mind/muscle deal. Humans are adaptable. They can and do change and learn all the time. Most of us for a lifetime. You actually have to want to however. I don't think you give up on a 23 year old who has all of 2 years starting in college because you feel that your organization is incapable of breaking a habit. I also believe it is idiotic to say Wentz couldn't do so it can't be done. From what the media in every place he has played has said he really doesn't want to change. You 'bother' because you believe Levis has a huge upside. I am not saying he does, but if the Colts take him THAT is why they are willing to be 'bothered'.


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