How many teams with lousy QB's win Super Bowls? The hardest thing to find is a franchise QB, the rest of the team is up to management and that is where the Colts have failed.

The Cowboys have a chance to win the NFC. The Colts aren't in AFC contention. What part of "rebuilding" do you not understand? Are you a bot? Do we need to install a captcha filter on this forum? Click on the images that contain street signs.

"Trent Dilfer" incoming...

True, but you had better have an extremely dominant defense. Brad Johnson is another one.

I had totally forgotten about Johnson. Ha.

Baltimore...

I get rebuilding, don't you? Or the Colts management team for that matter.
It should have been started by trading the rights to luck.

STARTING a rebuild with a QB doesn't work. Especially withe the Colts management/ownership. All it gets you is a wasted career as we are witnessing here.

The Cowboys will likely win the NFC? They rebuilt their o-line, THEN drafted a QB. Did you see what that line did to our d? Now we are trying to rebuild our o-line and Luck has spent time on IR and is injured even now.He has been battered like Rice's wife and running for his life every game of his career.

Joe Flacco is a weird bird. He pretty much is average Joe in the regular season, but come playoff time, he seems to thrive.

When good players around you step it up for the playoffs, you can do that.

Manning overcame that with a handful of talent surrounding him versus a deeper team no doubt.

Luck is not Manning.

Jeff Hostetler

Flacco had one hell of a run that postseason. Saying it was players stepping up around him serves him short.

Joe Namath & Jets, Terry Bradshaw & Steelers

Hmm... No one has ever accused me of being a great football mind, but the Cowboys were pretty sold on Romo at the time they started investing in their O-Line. It's also not clear that Prescott would not still be a backup if Romo had not went down in the preseason.

Also, I think it's a stretch that the Cowboys (or any team) would pass up an opportunity like Andrew Luck because they were focusing on their offensive line. That's like electing to kick after an OT coin toss, or pags faking a punt against the Patriots.

I think others have said it in this thread, but the issue is that Grigson, Irsay and Pags didnt focus on the foundations they need to build around a talented QB in order to be successful.

I wonder how much Andrew Luck cares for Ryan Grigson, considering the indirect damage he's doing to his career. Or Pagano for his power run load of bullshit.

I guess under your logic we should shop Andrew Luck now, develop our line and then take a chance on a QB in the 2020 draft?

Also, the cowboys were one and done last year against the Packers. I'm not sure I would crown them NFC champions yet (they are who we thought they were).

Yeah, I'm not interested in being a team in need of a franchise QB. How's that working out for Houston, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Miami, the Bears, etc? The only things being wasted here are your posts. Well, maybe Irsay...

Too late, damaged goods...

And we were none and done:cool:

Wasted on imbeciles I agree lol

You are a dumb person.

You never pass up on the qb of you need one

I'm beginning to think troll.

You honestly think Pagano and Caldwell are good coaches that will ever have huge success again in the playoffs in this league?

Lions completely collapsed down the stretch last year and all of Caldwells playoff wins as a head coach came in his first season as the Colts coach.

The same season I might add that he ruined a potential 16-0 season for the Colts, a BRILLIANT coaching move, and was outcoached in the SB.

Pagano should have been fired two seasons ago. No real colts fan can deny that he has added nothing to this teams success the last few seasons. They are continuously outcoached and unprepared, fall behind early by double digits way too often

Caldwell probably got the shaft a bit since '11 really wasn't his fault, but as others have pointed out most of his success was the '09 season with the Colts where the team was pretty much a carryover from Dungy's teams.

Also, Caldwell's baffling decisions to call timeouts at the end of games which allowed the other teams to run another play and get into FG range or better FG range were inexcusable. His timeout call at the end of the Jets game is the only play that rivals Clappy's fake punt in terms of stupidity on the Colts sidelines that I've seen.

Now on to Clappy McWoodchopper. For starters he has 43 wins not 52 since 9 of those are Arians', and his record is pure fool's gold since we play in the AFC South which with the exception of Houston in '12 was (and still should be) 6 easy wins a year.

His playoff wins are also fool's gold. KC had half of their D get hurt in the 2nd half which allowed Luck and Hilton (along with Mathis) to bail the team out as they had (big surprise) showed up completely unprepared for the game. In the '14 playoffs the Bungles were down to their #5 WR and a FB as receivers and Manning had a torn quad and couldn't throw the ball past 10 yards. Of course when we played a good and mostly healthy team the following week we were completely embarrassed.

Anyway, why most Colts fans want Clappy gone doesn't have much to do with his record and much more to do with the following:

-~75% of the time the team starts games deer in the head lights and look like they just rolled out of bed after a late night and had no idea they were supposed to be playing football that day. This clearly shows Clappy and his staff are unable to put together effective game plans and get the team ready to play.

-Way too many embarrassing blowout losses. This is more Grigs' fault but the coaching staff's inability to effective game plan certainly plays a factor in this.

-Clear lack of fundamentals on the team and little or no accountability held for players doing stupid shit on the field. For example: Chester Rogers is still fielding punts inside his own 10. Why the hell has that not been corrected yet?

don't bother with dam, norm. he doesn't put any responsibility on coaches. in his mind they are not responsible for anything that happens on the field.

Ok lets do this,
I do think Caldwell has become a good coach what he does with a Lions team with less talent than the Colts is impressive IMO but whatever

on to Chuck- the entire "we play in the afc south that's 6 free wins" is total BS, I don't care what division you play in those games are always tougher because of the familiarity, nobody says the same shit about New England or Seattle when both have maybe 1 tough division game each year

ok so now to the playoff record, you can give reasons why every team wins and loses in the playoffs but fuck that no excuses, that game vsKC was epic I've never seen an onslaught of points like that it was amazing, just because Charles got hurt doesn't mean they shouldn't have been able to seal that game I watched Manning lose to a Chargers backup QB and running back, and game 2 vs the Broncos they went into Denver and beat a great defensive team the Broncos won all year and went on to wina superbowl with Mannings noodle arm no fools gold there whatsoever. And yes the Pats embarrassed us like they do every team trying to come and win in New England in the playoffs, I mean theres been what 1 or 2 teams win there at all in 4 or 5 years? no shame in that

I don't want Chuck gone I believe the players want to play for him, it's clear right now the questions about Luck are a dark cloud affecting this team but no matter what he'll be back ad he'll be 100% and I'm excited tosee how it's going to play out. No coach is gonna have this team looking like playoff contenders with whats going on right now.

Lucks coming and we'll be fine

Yikes! How do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

So another year of excuses for Pagano no matter what happens.

If you seriously don't want Chuck gone, I question what you are watching or your football knowledge. Or both.

Holy shit! Someone admitted it! We're making progress!

It's wrong and borderline retarded

And it still doesn't make Pagano completely blame-free, as you insist.

No reason to fire him right now, everybody is just panicking because of Luck's situation

His record speaks for itself, and he hasn't even had Luck in there for every game

Chuck can get us there you all we'll see

You are dumb

These first 3 preseason games have been classic Clappy. 2 games of looking like complete and total shit followed by 1 game where they look a little better. Like they're actually prepared for once.

A good coach has his team ready every week. Chucks never been able to pull that off. You never see the Cheatriots unprepared or sloppy, because Belichick is a good coach.

We will never go anywhere with Chuck in charge.

That was never a thing I even posited, let alone insisted. It's a nice start to see that people are blaming talent related outcomes on talent rather than coaching, though.

Small adjustments can make all the difference. These are the types of things coaching can do. Things coaching cannot do include make up for huge talent gaps.

what coaching can do is put that rookie qb ahead of morris on the depth chart. like a fucking moron. just like pagano would do and did.

you and apballin are the only ones that think pagano is good. are you comfortable with that company? you probably are because you are stupid

Revisionist history on your part

You are goring your own ox here. When small adjustments are made, they can play with anyone, as evidenced by yesterday's game.

Problem is, these adjustments are rarely made, which is why they look like shit most of the time. That's awful coaching.

If it were purely a talent issue, they'd be like Cleveland and be awful every week.

Why does everyone here compare coaches to the Patriots? Because other than the Patriots you just stated what every team in the NFL does it is a league of ups and downs, turnovers, and inches.

I'd say they were consistently good the 2nd half of the season other than Luck's stupid turnovers

Talent is ultimately the biggest cause (and I've always agreed with that and said that this team sucked more because of a shit GM as opposed to a shit coach), but Pagano still has his share in the fact that he can't identify talent either himself (beat the desk for TJ Green, lulz) and can't develop talent when Grigson happened to stumble on it (Mario Addison, Lawrence Guy, etc).

Pagano sucks, as you refuse to admit.

No, Cleveland is that bad because they don't have a QB. The Colts were Cleveland with a QB under Grigson. Hopefully Ballard will actually provide the requisite talent for a good defense. Things look good on that front so far.

Wow. Pagano was the one who made the decision to cut Guy when he was a prominent rotational backup? Also, Mario Addison was a Polian find who got signed off the practice squad. Not to mention pro bowlers Vontae Davis, Mike Adams, and Robert Mathis, turning Erik Walden into a passable player and Jerrell Freeman into a quality ILB (who was inexplicably let go for peanuts), turning a UDFA into a 6th round pick (because Grigson refused to keep him on the team), the list goes on. Talent development has not been the problem, it's been talent acquisition. That doesn't hold water as an argument against Pagano, he's developed and improved the talent he was given, Grigson was just so bad at identifying talent.

At this point I want Pagano to succeed because I want the Colts to succeed. But if he does end up fired, I'll be glad because everyone can move on to bitching about the next coach (which I'm sure will take no more than 5 games) while Pagano will, like Caldwell, take a coordinator role somewhere and eventually get offered a head job again and find success elsewhere.