I agree. Stopgap it for a season or 2 and draft the guy you believe in.

Yeah, considering what we're getting for Wentz Jimmy G might be out of Ballard's price range.

What do think they’re asking for a QB they don’t want anymore coming off surgery???

We can basically send the Washington picks to them and it’s an even swap

So apparently they are targeting Carr? I didn't see but I guess McAfee said that on his show yesterday.

I've read some Raiders fans sweating bullets over trading Carr. Bringing up how McDaniels went to Denver and immediately traded Cutler.

From LV's perspective... there's two ways to speculate I suppose... Either they have to have Carr because the division is loaded at QB and no bad teams. Or McDaniels is thinking longer term, takes a haul for Carr, and builds from there.

Wishful thinking on my part, I'm sure.

I’m fine with Carr, but what’s the cost?

I mean if it’s a 3rd for Jimmy vs a Twos 2nd for Carr I’d still roll with Jimmy

He sure as hell isn't.

Bottom line, I don't see any of the possible 2022 QBs being of SB level, so I've no wish to see the Colts trade for one of them. Roll with a free agent, but don't give up any more players or draft picks to get less than a stud QB.

No way I would send the Washington picks for Jimmy G. Sign a free agent or go with a draft pick.

Well, that's the question. This is all assuming he's even actually on the market. I don't like Garoppolo like some of you guys do. On-the-field reasons are enough, but the fact that he's only started 19 out of a possible 80 games for SF is pretty scary. That said; I can't imagine Garoppolo going for a 3rd with this many teams in play.

Anyway, yeah, Carr would probably cost something that would sting. Of course, there's a lot of room between the two 3rd's that Wentz pulled and the truckload that Wilson pulled. I couldn't even guess Carr's cost other than to say it'll be in between Wentz and Wilson.

Carr is not a top-of-the-line guy, but he's a lot better than Wentz. And notably, compared to Wentz, his accuracy and panic-level are desirable. As bad as things ended up for us... how close was our 9-win season to a 10-, 11-, 12-win season even with Wentz?

What free agent?

I don’t want any of the listed free agents they’re all just Wentz all over again yes we’d get to keep the picks but that’s not gonna matter unless we figure out the QB

If McDickface is realistic then he'll probably at least look to move Carr and begin the rebuild, but there are probably 2 things that will hold that up. One is his ego, which I'm sure has him thinking that the Raiders will greatly improve under his coaching. The other is that he's probably not going to get anything near for Carr what he got for Cutler, which was 2 1sts, a 3rd, and the current Bears' starting QB (Orton).

McDirtbag will not do the Colts any favors, if Carr was smart he would demand a trade and not even play for McAsshole, he will screw him over in the end!

Sign Winston, it's the only play left that isn't basically punting the 2022 season.

If we go FA I wouldn't mind seeing us bring Trubisky in. It could be that his improvement in Buffalo is total BS, but if Daboll is really looking to bring Trubisky with him to NYG then there's probably some truth there.

If we’re going free agents I’d choose Mariota over all of them

Winston has a lot of the same issues Wentz had as far as holding the ball too long and looking for the home run

I'm just saying I wouldn't give up the picks for an injury prone average QB. People who haven't watched Jimmy G every week don't know that he is not the answer either. JG has missed 24 games in the past 4 years and is now coming off of shoulder surgery.

Like Dam stated, I would probably go Winston, hell give him a shot. I'm just not convinced about giving up draft picks for any QB that is not that much better than Wentz.

Winston is coming off an ACL and is notorious for holding the ball too long he played better for the Saints until he got injured but he was still holding the ball looking for the home run

If keeping picks is the priority then go with Mariota and sign armstead but at this point you just can’t replicate playoff experience…

Jimmy G is 33-14 as a starter 4-2 in the playoffs dude just wins and isn’t afraid of big moments

I am inclined to this as well. There are no sure things, but Trubisky intrigues me. He only had 13 starts in college, so if any QB coming into the NFL needed a year to acclimate it was Trubisky. Maybe he can still shine now that he's been in the league for a few years. Also, he's got speed, so he can handle the RPO that Reich is so fond of. Other than Trubisky, I wouldn't be pissed if they chose Mariota, he has even more speed than Trubisky, but I like Trubisky's potential a little bit more.

Am I retarded for thinking Matt Ryan should be in this discussion?

Atlanta needs to get out from his cap hit and I hear Indy has got the money… I think he would be about the best “stop gap” solution Indianapolis could hope for, assuming my ignorance of the salary cap implications related to this don’t make the transaction possible in the first place.

I’ve also lived in Atlanta longer than I lived in Indianapolis at this point, so maybe my perspective isn’t all that objective.

I would take him, but he would cost a lot in draft capital. Carr, Ryan, Winston, or draft someone. In that order.

Mariotta cant get past one read before bailing out and running. He is the same guy right now as he was coming out of college. He is a back up.

I think Carr is the only one worth locking down to a long term contract, Colts could compete for the conference with him in my opinion. If they can't get Carr, and McAsswipe would probably agree to a trade and then change his mind at the last minute, then I'm not sure what you do? We can't waste JT for 2 or 3 years of his prime...I think they have to go after Carr hard or maybe there will be some FAs next season and you just bring in a one and done this year?

But I hope the Colts go after Carr very aggressively and force McDickface and the Raiders to pay Carr a king's ransom and be locked into him for years, because in my opinion they don't have the pieces in place that the Colts have for Carr to even win that division, let alone the conference! McDumbass will fail again and have to go running home to BB to be cuddled, powdered, and diapered!

I thought of him as well but agree with race that he may cost too much capital to get, especially if we are only thinking stop gap

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Not a bad thought, but ATL's going to have a moving him this offseason b/c Ryan would count $40M in dead money towards the '22 cap (total cap hit is $48M). I could be wrong on this, but since his dead money is all from his signing bonus I don't think a trading partner can help with the cap hit.

Now they could move him after June 1st where (at least per OTC) his dead money for '22 would drop to $25M with $15M towards '23. Or more likely move on from Ryan next offseason where his dead money hit would be $15M.

I've only seen a couple guys bring up Matt Ryan. I don't follow ATL much so I don't know where they're at as a team other than four straight losing seasons. I just read they dropped Ryan's cap hit down to $37m. That's still a motherfucker but I think it gives them $15m or so of space.

He'll be 37. Anybody know if there's word on how much longer he wants to play? Going by Ballard's talk about being tired of "band-aids", I assume Ryan must be lower on the list.

He always has good stats, but the team doesn't win much. Only two winning seasons in the past 9 (I don't know how much of that is him). Even his stats took a hit this year. An extra game and he didn't crack 4000yds and barely hit 20tds. Anybody have some insight?

My 2 cents...other than Carr....no trading draft picks for a QB. No other one is worth it, IMO.

Specifically, Ryan is too old and not good enough anymore.

I don't know enough about evaluating QBs to have a real rooting interest in any of these guys. I actually trust Ballard to get this one correct. He won't be listening to Reich. Who knows why Reich was so taken with Wentz, I have my opinions but don't know either of them. Whatever it was it made him overlook some huge short comings in the guy. That won't happen this time. I do like someone like Trubisky. He has the physical talent to play in the league. If he wants to turn around his career then Frank is the guy to do it, so I think we would be able to sign him. I am trending towards him because of how vocal his teammates and the organization in general have been about him (in stark contrast to the quietness surrounding Wentz). Now I don't necessarily believe he has become a top QB in his time in Buffalo (not discounting that maybe he has been coached up) but he definitely is a person that is admired and liked as a man. He needed coaching when he came out of collage (only a one year starter) and got Nagy, so there is hope that a good coach could get something out of him. After the putz that was Wentz I would like to have someone who I can pull for and that the organization can get behind. Trubisky seems to be that kind of teammate. I know he is somewhat of a crap shoot but so are all the other available QBs. We are in a world of hurt as an organization right now. It feels like we are at a tipping point to me. Ballard needs all the luck in the world navigating these next few months if we are going to come out of this ok.

I think it is going to be one of 3 guys. Mariota, Sam or Tribisky (SP) Ballard is not going to give up any draft picks for a lateral move of another Wentz (Jimmy G). He got burned and will be very reluctant to do that again. If neither of those are the answer in 2022 you will see him do some maneuvering for draft pick next April where there will be a deeper QB pool coming out of college. This years draft has to many project QB's and no plug and play type.

Then go after Trubisky.

1. Young
2. Coachable: see Buffalo
3. Great destination with a proven line and rb
4. Get creative with the contract, make it a win - win for both parties

I get nervous seeing highly drafted QB's bouncing from team to team in short time spans. Despite what prognosticators are saying, there is a reason these guys can't take up roots somewhere. We are in QB purgatory and there are no can't miss prospects coming in the near future of the draft. This franchise has definitely been spoiled with QB's in its history. Some teams are lucky to have a once a generation talent, and the Colts have had 3, Unitas, Manning and Luck. Would have had 4 had Bert Jones not get hit with injuries.

I disagree that Jimmy is a lateral move

He’s an improvement, he doesn’t turn it over he doesn’t fold in big games and he gets the ball out quick not to mention the playoff experience

He has more than his fair share of boneheaded plays that makes you scratch your head. I would rather pay one of the others a $15 Mil incentive laden contract than pay Jimmy G $25 mil plus for the same shit we just shipped away. If he is everything everyone keeps harping on the Niners wouldn't have drafted a QB. It isn't like Jimmy is in his late 30's and on his way out. He is the west coast version of Wentz.

He sure didn’t cowar down when they drafted a QB and submit the position like a cry baby bitch, he kept playing and kept the rookie on the sidelines

At this point I’d rather have Armstead then any of the QB options so whoever we have to sign to have enough to sign Armstead as well fuck it bring on Minshew

I am not a Purdue fan...but O'Connell is coming back as a 5th year senior, this guy is very good, he will likely be a late first round pick in 2023.

Every one of these guys has big issues otherwise they would be available. No matter who it is there will be plenty to complain about.

I would take Minshew over most on that list. I would take Armstead any fucking day of the week over any QB on the list. Hell the line getting back to it once was with a stud LT and it won't matter a lot who is back there throwing it, he will have time to read a book.

Like I have stated, JG is slightly better than Wentz. Not worth giving up draft picks for though. 49ers would have beat the Chiefs in the SB if JG wouldn't have overthrown a wide open receiver for a TD by at least 10 yards. Another game the 49ers lost was because of the same damn thing. I watched every 49ers game, and color me unimpressed. Add in the fact that he is injury prone only makes it worse. Numbers lie, look at Wentz's numbers, complete bullshit.

He is Tom Brady lite. Extra lite, Tom didnt miss as many games as grapalo

At least he can commit to a decision