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Puck 03-06-2017 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 4288)
I am firmly in the Derek Barnett camp right now.

I don't care that he a 4.88 40 either. His 10 yd split of 1.70 was respectable, as were his other drills. Also, his 3-cone drill was up there with the best of them. Also, he doesn't look lost dropping into coverage.

I'm also a big fan of Kansas St. Jordan Willis. I've seen him play a few times, he would be a nice option in round 2 or 3.

I really don't care that Ryan Anderson didn't test all that well either. I think we've all seen what that dude can do.

I watched a lot of tape on Hassan Reddick, and really don't know what to think. It really sucks, when you watch defensive play against all of these spread teams that are the norm in CFB today. That's why I love watching tape of defensive players against Michigan. Reddick is used all over the field against those teams and I really couldn't get a handle on what he is, OLB, DE, ILB or none of the above.

Come on Ballard, draft 3 LB's in the first 3 rounds. Just do it damn-it!
He better draft a CB in round one or two or it will be a huge mistake

Spike 03-06-2017 01:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 4288)
I am firmly in the Derek Barnett camp right now.

I don't care that he a 4.88 40 either. His 10 yd split of 1.70 was respectable, as were his other drills. Also, his 3-cone drill was up there with the best of them. Also, he doesn't look lost dropping into coverage.

I'm also a big fan of Kansas St. Jordan Willis. I've seen him play a few times, he would be a nice option in round 2 or 3.

I really don't care that Ryan Anderson didn't test all that well either. I think we've all seen what that dude can do.

I watched a lot of tape on Hassan Reddick, and really don't know what to think. It really sucks, when you watch defensive play against all of these spread teams that are the norm in CFB today. That's why I love watching tape of defensive players against Michigan. Reddick is used all over the field against those teams and I really couldn't get a handle on what he is, OLB, DE, ILB or none of the above.

Come on Ballard, draft 3 LB's in the first 3 rounds. Just do it damn-it!
Griggs left the Colts with big holes all over the defensive side of the ball. Got to draft BAP on defense in every round. Be it LB, cornerback, safety. Drafting and reaching for need is a good way to get fucked. I don't want to draft 3 linebackers just because that is our biggest need, unless of course they are the BAP's.

Coltsalr 03-06-2017 08:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YDFL Commish (Post 4288)
I am firmly in the Derek Barnett camp right now.

I don't care that he a 4.88 40 either. His 10 yd split of 1.70 was respectable, as were his other drills. Also, his 3-cone drill was up there with the best of them. Also, he doesn't look lost dropping into coverage.

I'm also a big fan of Kansas St. Jordan Willis. I've seen him play a few times, he would be a nice option in round 2 or 3.

I really don't care that Ryan Anderson didn't test all that well either. I think we've all seen what that dude can do.

I watched a lot of tape on Hassan Reddick, and really don't know what to think. It really sucks, when you watch defensive play against all of these spread teams that are the norm in CFB today. That's why I love watching tape of defensive players against Michigan. Reddick is used all over the field against those teams and I really couldn't get a handle on what he is, OLB, DE, ILB or none of the above.

Come on Ballard, draft 3 LB's in the first 3 rounds. Just do it damn-it!
Derek Barnett in the 1st and Ryan Anderson in the 2nd and I'd be beyond delirious. I really wouldn't care who we drafted in the 3rd round, but bolstering our LB corps to that degree, might as well go with another LB at that point.

Turning LB into a potential strength would do so much for this team, that I can't see how one could argue that'd be a bad thing.

Dam8610 03-06-2017 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Spike (Post 4293)
Griggs left the Colts with big holes all over the defensive side of the ball. Got to draft BAP on defense in every round. Be it LB, cornerback, safety. Drafting and reaching for need is a good way to get fucked. I don't want to draft 3 linebackers just because that is our biggest need, unless of course they are the BAP's.
Considering how loaded this class is at LB, that may very well be the case.

sherck 03-06-2017 11:01 AM
I was already a Riddick fan in the first but feared that we might be reaching to nab him at 15.

Now after his combine performance I don't know that he will last until 15. He had a great combine.

That is who I now want in the 1st.

Cheers,

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

YDFL Commish 03-06-2017 12:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike (Post 4293)
Griggs left the Colts with big holes all over the defensive side of the ball. Got to draft BAP on defense in every round. Be it LB, cornerback, safety. Drafting and reaching for need is a good way to get fucked. I don't want to draft 3 linebackers just because that is our biggest need, unless of course they are the BAP's.
I would prefer a CB come out of free agency. I want a guy that can play right away.

cq.noble 03-06-2017 01:00 PM
given Ballard's history with Washington
 
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.

Puck 03-06-2017 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cq.noble (Post 4345)
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.

Welcome to the board

smitty46953 03-06-2017 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cq.noble (Post 4345)
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.
Welcome aboard !!! :cool:

omahacolt 03-06-2017 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by cq.noble (Post 4345)
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.
welcome aboard cq

i worry about db's that tall myself. i know nothing about this kid but kids that tall, historically, have had problems with change of direction quickness.

YDFL Commish 03-06-2017 08:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cq.noble (Post 4345)
and the fact Kevin King just ran a 4.4 at 6'3" anybody think we might look that direction? I've thought we would go DB early and King might make some sense given our GM and HC.
Don't get me wrong that speed at that size is intriguing. I'll have to see how fast he flip his hips, turn and if need be drive on the ball.

cq.noble 03-07-2017 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 4411)
welcome aboard cq

i worry about db's that tall myself. i know nothing about this kid but kids that tall, historically, have had problems with change of direction quickness.
Agreed but when I watched his tape against USC he didn't move like he was 6'3", and he also had the best 3 cone drill time among all CB's too. So in theory his COD is elite. He's not a 1st rounder but he's interesting.

Puck 03-07-2017 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cq.noble (Post 4559)
Agreed but when I watched his tape against USC he didn't move like he was 6'3", and he also had the best 3 cone drill time among all CB's too. So in theory his COD is elite. He's not a 1st rounder but he's interesting.

And to think I saw your name when you signed up and figured you for a spammer and was prepared to delete you.... Patience is a good thing in this case.... keep up the good posts

cq.noble 03-07-2017 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Puck (Post 4627)
And to think I saw your name when you signed up and figured you for a spammer and was prepared to delete you.... Patience is a good thing in this case.... keep up the good posts
I've been around different Colts blogs for years. Glad you didn't delete me, I like it here.

rcubed 03-07-2017 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cq.noble (Post 4631)
I've been around different Colts blogs for years. Glad you didn't delete me, I like it here.
its the best around

rcubed 03-07-2017 05:16 PM
MMQB has us taking Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama

omahacolt 03-07-2017 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rcubed (Post 4636)
MMQB has us taking Cam Robinson, OL, Alabama
fuck that dude

we need defense. and then some more defense. and then some defense for good measure

njcoltfan 03-07-2017 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 4641)
fuck that dude

we need defense. and then some more defense. and then some defense for good measure
What do you think about drafting defense??

omahacolt 03-07-2017 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by njcoltfan (Post 4642)
What do you think about drafting defense??
i am for it

smitty46953 03-07-2017 09:39 PM
Charley Casserly has us taking Garett Bolles OT Utah in his Mock 2.0 on NFL.Com ... :cool:

njcoltfan 03-07-2017 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 4710)
Charley Casserly has us taking Garett Bolles OT Utah in his Mock 2.0 on NFL.Com ... :cool:
Now you know why he's not a GM anymore!!

FatDT 03-08-2017 09:08 AM
It's pretty hard to imagine taking an OL in the 1st again. I expect a right guard in FA and competition for RT between Good, Clark, and Haeg.

ukcolt 03-13-2017 11:29 AM
With one of the top rated corners in the draft, Sidney Jones from Washington, potentially suffering a lower leg injury (possibly a torn achilles) at his pro day.....would you consider taking him with our 2nd round pick and getting outstanding value, even if we had to wait potentially until 2018 until he was ready to play? I thnk i would jump at the chance once you have managed to assess the injury to ensure it is not too serious. It would be at a position of major need. I realise we have needs instantly, but we are unlikely to be able to get a top LBer either inside or outside plus one of the best corners in the same draft. I am prepared to look toward the future a little and try to fill out the roster for future years.

natagu23 03-13-2017 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 6313)
With one of the top rated corners in the draft, Sidney Jones from Washington, potentially suffering a lower leg injury (possibly a torn achilles) at his pro day.....would you consider taking him with our 2nd round pick and getting outstanding value, even if we had to wait potentially until 2018 until he was ready to play? I thnk i would jump at the chance once you have managed to assess the injury to ensure it is not too serious. It would be at a position of major need. I realise we have needs instantly, but we are unlikely to be able to get a top LBer either inside or outside plus one of the best corners in the same draft. I am prepared to look toward the future a little and try to fill out the roster for future years.
Maybe in the 3rd

sherck 03-13-2017 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 6313)
With one of the top rated corners in the draft, Sidney Jones from Washington, potentially suffering a lower leg injury (possibly a torn achilles) at his pro day.....would you consider taking him with our 2nd round pick and getting outstanding value, even if we had to wait potentially until 2018 until he was ready to play? I thnk i would jump at the chance once you have managed to assess the injury to ensure it is not too serious. It would be at a position of major need. I realise we have needs instantly, but we are unlikely to be able to get a top LBer either inside or outside plus one of the best corners in the same draft. I am prepared to look toward the future a little and try to fill out the roster for future years.
I agree; not in the 2nd round as we need kids to gain experience THIS YEAR rather than sitting out due to injury.

The Colts are, realistically, at least one season away from being competitive for a championship. 2 draft classes in 2017 and 2018 that can contribute close to what the 2016 draft class contributed (2 full time starters in Kelly and Haeg, 2 part time starters in Green and Clark, 1 quality rotation guy in Ridgeway) along with this year's free agency class along with 2018s could go a LONG way in making our defense respectable to go along with an offense that is, hopefully, top in the league.

I don't mind waiting a year on a top talent but I would rather gain THREE kids for 2018 with top talent (1st round pick, 2nd round pick, Sidney Jones in the 3rd round) rather than just 2.

Cheers,

ukcolt 03-13-2017 12:33 PM
Clearly it would be better if he dropped to the 3rd round, but with the likes of Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack both having significant injuries going into last years draft, they were both taken at the top of the 2nd round. So i suspect it is unlikely he will last until the 3rd assuming the injury isn't too devasting

sherck 03-13-2017 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 6324)
Clearly it would be better if he dropped to the 3rd round, but with the likes of Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack both having significant injuries going into last years draft, they were both taken at the top of the 2nd round. So i suspect it is unlikely he will last until the 3rd assuming the injury isn't too devasting
So be it. I don't want to use our 2nd round pick on a CB that will not play in 2017 and gain experience.

I would rather pick a 2nd round CB talent and play them immediately. When rebuilding, you HAVE to get immediate production out of your 1st and 2nd round choices. They have to produce.

Which is why I was not high on picking Green last season as a "developmental" project. I don't care that he has 1st round measurable, he has only been playing defense for two fricking years. We wasted our 2nd round pick last year.

Now, perhaps, he will developing into a 2nd round production dude in the future but the chances are less than if he had already been demonstrating that level of production in college.

Cheers,

Dam8610 03-13-2017 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ukcolt (Post 6324)
Clearly it would be better if he dropped to the 3rd round, but with the likes of Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack both having significant injuries going into last years draft, they were both taken at the top of the 2nd round. So i suspect it is unlikely he will last until the 3rd assuming the injury isn't too devasting
Those guys would've been Top 15 picks without the injuries, though.

ukcolt 03-14-2017 06:07 AM
Which is exactly where he was being projected to go in this draft looking at several links on nfl.com they had him at 14, 10, 11 and 27.

sherck 03-14-2017 02:36 PM
Mock draft made today following the first wave of free agency.

The following defenders were all picked in the 1st round with pick #15 or after.

Which one would you pick and why?

CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
CB Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
CB Sidney Jones, Washington (even with an ACL tear)

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

DE Malik McDowell, Michigan State

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Taco Charlton, Michigan
OLB Charles Harris, Missouri
OLB Carl Lawson, Auburn
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

Cheers,

smitty46953 03-14-2017 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sherck (Post 6567)
Mock draft made today following the first wave of free agency.

The following defenders were all picked in the 1st round with pick #15 or after.

Which one would you pick and why?

CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
CB Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
CB Sidney Jones, Washington (even with an ACL tear)

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

DE Malik McDowell, Michigan State

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Taco Charlton, Michigan
OLB Charles Harris, Missouri
OLB Carl Lawson, Auburn
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

Cheers,
Of those listed OLB Tim Williams, Alabama, if he is deemed to have his head on straight. This guy is quick and a dynamic edge rusher which we need bad. Could be a great pick or a Randy Gregory type ??? Hopefully we would have him visit and go through a psych eval before spending a 1st round pick on him.
:cool:

VeveJones007 03-14-2017 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by smitty46953 (Post 6572)
Of those listed OLB Tim Williams, Alabama, if he is deemed to have his head on straight. This guy is quick and a dynamic edge rusher which we need bad. Could be a great pick or a Randy Gregory type ??? Hopefully we would have him visit and go through a psych eval before spending a 1st round pick on him.
:cool:
Zach Cunningham is going to be a great player. His hands are ridiculously strong. If he gets his hands on you, you're going down.

smitty46953 03-14-2017 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 6573)
Zach Cunningham is going to be a great player. His hands are ridiculously strong. If he gets his hands on you, you're going down.
He was my 2nd choice .... :cool:

omahacolt 03-14-2017 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by VeveJones007 (Post 6573)
Zach Cunningham is going to be a great player. His hands are ridiculously strong. If he gets his hands on you, you're going down.
Then why do people constantly bitch about his missed tackles

omahacolt 03-14-2017 03:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherck (Post 6567)
Mock draft made today following the first wave of free agency.

The following defenders were all picked in the 1st round with pick #15 or after.

Which one would you pick and why?

CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
CB Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
CB Sidney Jones, Washington (even with an ACL tear)

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

DE Malik McDowell, Michigan State

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Taco Charlton, Michigan
OLB Charles Harris, Missouri
OLB Carl Lawson, Auburn
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

Cheers,
Charles Harris

From the little I have seen I like that dudes gets off the line

natagu23 03-14-2017 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherck (Post 6567)
Mock draft made today following the first wave of free agency.

The following defenders were all picked in the 1st round with pick #15 or after.

Which one would you pick and why?

CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
CB Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
CB Sidney Jones, Washington (even with an ACL tear)

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

DE Malik McDowell, Michigan State

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Taco Charlton, Michigan
OLB Charles Harris, Missouri
OLB Carl Lawson, Auburn
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama

Cheers,
My favorite corner in the draft is Lattimore, but he'll obviously be gone by the time we pick unless he does something stupid between now and draft day.

A couple corners that weren't listed were Adoree Jackson and Gareon Conley.

Im not sure how refined of a corner Jackson is because his claim to fame is being a special team's return ace, and playing on offense from time to time. He's electric thats for damn sure. You're potentially drafting a CB/PR/KR/WR if you pull the trigger on that guy.

Gareon Conley would be a steal imo if we were to draft him in the 2nd. You're not going to find too many corners who are comfortable turning their head back to the ball while staying in the receiver's hip like Conley is. Good size, great ball skills, man to man corner. I wouldnt mind pulling the trigger on him in the 1st round actually.

YDFL Commish 03-14-2017 04:02 PM
If that's who is left, then I have to go with Jordan Willis, preferably in a trade down scenario.

VeveJones007 03-14-2017 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6575)
Then why do people constantly bitch about his missed tackles
Idk. Watch the tape.

VeveJones007 03-14-2017 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by omahacolt (Post 6576)
Charles Harris

From the little I have seen I like that dudes gets off the line
I like Harris a lot. He has actual rush moves (unlike Barnett) and does a good job of reading the pocket and attacking where the QB is going. I just wish Harris had a little more change of direction quickness...but that's why he isn't a top 5 pick.

rcubed 03-15-2017 02:02 PM
McShays latest mock has us taking OL Forrest Gump, I mean Lamp.

http://www.stampedeblue.com/2017/3/1...est-mock-draft


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